Passengers ending up on a train to the depot?

[ChiefPlanner]

One Xmas Eve had an over carried , well sedated gent - with dog - who ended up n ECS in Watford Yard from Camden Road. He should have been spotted - however there were no handy return workings for 48 hours....

 

[CC 72100]

Re. The catering comment at the top of page 2 - sometimes they are booked to stay on the ECS, but I'm talking about those times when they are not.
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And yes, it is an incident that requires reports and investigations.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

The worst one's for despatching ECS with passengers on is Woking, had it happen to me 3 times so far.

The passenger usually gets dumped at Worplesdon if they're abusive, which for them is a bit of a bummer, as by the time we reset the passcom, they'll just miss the up train for their trouble. The next & last one back is 2344, after that it's 0521. Nearest main road is about ¾ mile away, Woking is 3 miles.

In the past I've taken them into Farnham, Wombledon, Clapham & Fratton yards.

The last one was a right stroppy woman who go on despite at least 4 announcements being made to say that the train wasn't in service, because she was too lazy to go to the other platform to use the toilet, she then promptly used 4 passcoms & an egress and didn't she just get a piece of my mind too!

 

[Peter Sarf]

A) Pax in possession of a valid ticket and just overslept / drunk etc, will be escorted to the gate and the station will arrange for a taxi to collect.

B) Not in possession of a valid ticket to travel, will be escorted to the front gate to make their own way or depending on the situation to be met by BTP!

Or how about complete lack of announcements - it does happen. The classic at East Croydon is a VERY LATE change of train order for one platform which can lead to passengers going to London Bridge (or slowly Blackfriars) instead of Victoria or vice versa. Worst is when platform two sees a swap in Northbound and Southbound services - always seems to be Thameslink.

One evening about ten years ago whilst sober myself and a friend got on at Victoria. He bid me farewell at his stop, Norwood Junction, and I stayed on to go to East Croydon. Train left slowly and wended its way into Selhurst depot right into a shed across the road from Selhurst station . So I rushed to the front for the driver in case I could be trapped I got out and I went for the 157 bus home. I had not been inside Selhurst depot since about 1976 !.

Puzzling as in those day I regularly chose a stopping train that went to East/West Croydon via Norwood Junction (or Selhurst) if travelling with that friend. He confirmed that he too was not aware of any announcements. But at the end of a tube line I have seen drunk people being impossible to wake up / being angry / not comprehending - as in not understanding they are way past their stop !.

 

[Spankthemonkey]

Fell asleep on the last Chiltern service of the evening from Marylebone to High Wycombe about ten years ago. Woke in a stabling point somewhere around Aylesbury at 3am. No one around, expensive taxi fare home!

 

[syorksdeano]

Done it before but this was more down to an error at the station other than sozzled.

Stood waiting for the train to Leeds from Skipton and the train arrives at the platform as intended. Signs on the train change to 'Welcome to the Leeds train'.

Doors shut and we end up moving... The wrong way to the sidings. Result was a rather guilty looking driver with 15 passengers walking behind him.

He got some stick for that for weeks

 

[Elwyn]

Many years ago I fell asleep on a train from Victoria which terminated in the stabling sidings at West Worthing around 1.00am. I was woken up by the guard walking through the train checking it, who was very helpful and led me along a walkway to a hut where there was a list of local taxi companies phone numbers. I got the strong impression that this was a regular nightly occurrence. Staff were extremely nice and let me wait in the warm hut till the taxi came. Couldn’t have been handled better as far as I was concerned. I had overslept from Haywards Heath so cost me a fortune to get back there.

 

[zuriblue]

I accidentally did the Kennington Loop once. I wasn't the first and I probably won't be the last.

Judging by the number of YouTube videos I'm definitely not alone.

I know someone that went to sleep on a late train going to Baden (the Swiss town where I live) who would have ended up back in Zürich Altstetten if it hadn't been for a couple of girls banging on the window when they saw him sparked out on the bottom deck.

 

[jamesst]

I'll pass on mentioning the depot concerned but I do know of an incident where the train wasn't checked prior to go going to the depot,went there, through the wash where after a slightly wet family were discovered! The guard called in for a meeting after,not over the family left on board but the fact he hadn't closed the windows before the train went through the wash...

 

[abn444]

Certainly happens from time to time. Not just going into depots either, in my experience it's more likely that they end up on an ECS move between two stations, or even one which goes station 1 - siding - station 1

I'm sure there's a reasonable possibility of that happening at Basingstoke (although I'm not sure if it has happened before). Quite often the stopping train from Waterloo arrives on platform 1, stops there for a minute or two to let everyone off and then moves into a siding up the line to make way for a CrossCountry service to use that platform before moving back to that platform once that XC train has gone, so that it can form the next stopping train back to Waterloo. If they didn't check properly and someone stayed on the train too long or if someone got on when it arrived thinking it was going to stay there before going back and no one noticed them get on, then someone could end up on it to the siding.

 

[Clansman]

I accidentally did the Kennington Loop once. I wasn't the first and I probably won't be the last.

Judging by the number of YouTube videos I'm definitely not alone.

I know someone that went to sleep on a late train going to Baden (the Swiss town where I live) who would have ended up back in Zürich Altstetten if it hadn't been for a couple of girls banging on the window when they saw him sparked out on the bottom deck.

Did you come across the legendary Kennington Loop Door Slamming Ghost?

 

[tony6499]

It used to be a regular occurrence on the late night Brighton to Lovers Walk depot with people asleep on the late night arrivals from Victoria and being taken up on the empties as the station staff hadn't checked the train properly before locking the doors.

The easiest way to rectify it was bring the train back out to the station drop off the passengers and then go back to the depot.

 

[PermitToTravel]

It must be very easy to do at Gerrard's Cross

 

[3141]

There was a thread on this website, I think, about three years ago, based on a newspaper report about a young woman who ended up in sidings at Enfield Town or Chingford. She admitted she'd had a few drinks before she got on the train. She didn't wake till quite well into the night and stayed on the train till it re-entered service the next day.

 

[Railsigns]

Has there ever been an incident where a passenger has accidently stayed on a train and ended up at a depot?

It happened to my cousin many years ago on a sleeper train. He was given a ride back to the station in the cab of a Class 47!

 

[Matt Taylor]

The worst one's for despatching ECS with passengers on is Woking, had it happen to me 3 times so far.

I know that too well. I was once cleing out the front 5 of 10 in p5 when it started heading off for a shunt movement, leaving the rear 5 with no guard to despatch the train onwards to Portsmouth. The WICC had rather a laugh about that, only a minor delay but could've been a huge problem.

 

[Peter Sarf]

There was a thread on this website, I think, about three years ago, based on a newspaper report about a young woman who ended up in sidings at Enfield Town or Chingford. She admitted she'd had a few drinks before she got on the train. She didn't wake till quite well into the night and stayed on the train till it re-entered service the next day.

Spending a whole night on a parked up train - I would not fancy that, Especially if the train had no loos !!!.

 

[SPADTrap]

There was a thread on this website, I think, about three years ago, based on a newspaper report about a young woman who ended up in sidings at Enfield Town or Chingford. She admitted she'd had a few drinks before she got on the train. She didn't wake till quite well into the night and stayed on the train till it re-entered service the next day.

Sounds like Ilford.

 

[Dr_Paul]

I accidentally did the Kennington Loop once. I wasn't the first and I probably won't be the last.

I did it once, not noticing that the train was terminating there, and instead of reaching The Oval ended up back at Kennington.

I once alighted at Slade Green, at the end of the route from Cannon Street via Sidcup, and noticed, as the train pulled away northwards as an empty stock working, that a woman who had boarded at London Bridge was still aboard, fast asleep. This was during the rush-hour. I imagine it was returning empty via Woolwich to Cannon Street.

 

[sarahj]

I've known a couple who have jumped on right at the last second when your looking the other way after you had checked the whole train and was just closing the doors, and ended up in either west worthing or Chichester sidings. You normally come back out after 10-15 mins and they have to sit there and watch the train they wanted go past. I've heard of a few found by cleaners. The last one was someone who had fallen asleep under a table. They were thus missed during the check. They woke up around 3am in some depot and called the police!!!. Some trains have had to come back out of say lovers walk into the station to drop them off.

Best over carried, but found at Worthing as I did a final check before a ECS back to the depot. It was now 1.30am. Woke them up, and they wanted Clapham Junction. Pointed them in the direction of the station exit and told them a taxi would be happy to take you home, with the next train being 7. (it was a sat night/sun morning).

 

[83G/84D]

Back in the 80's at a depot I worked at someone found a person sleeping in the luggage racks. Apparently they had gone up there to avoid the guard during ticket checks nodded off and ended up on the depot.

 

[bb21]

An interesting tale of someone being taken to the depot could be read from my control logs last week. Had to wait ages for someone to drive the train out to the nearest station to drop him off.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

An interesting tale of someone being taken to the depot could be read from my control logs last week. Had to wait ages for someone to drive the train out to the nearest station to drop him off.

Interesting!

For the main line trains that have to go back to the station from a depot, would it be entered into the "system" and appear on RTT?

 

[185143]

An interesting tale of someone being taken to the depot could be read from my control logs last week. Had to wait ages for someone to drive the train out to the nearest station to drop him off.

Interesting!

For the main line trains that have to go back to the station from a depot, would it be entered into the "system" and appear on RTT?

I'd highly doubt it.

 

[FGW_DID]

Interesting!

For the main line trains that have to go back to the station from a depot, would it be entered into the "system" and appear on RTT?

How do you mean?

Booked ECS moves from the depot to the Station do appear on RTT, if you mean running an unscheduled train just to drop a passenger back at the station, I hugely doubt that would happen!

Even if we have a booked ECS move, if there is a passenger over carry, it's taxi or shanks's pony from the front gate as per my previous post.

 

[muddythefish]

Fell asleep, station staff didn't check the train and woke up in the Thameslink carriage sidings at Bedford on one occasion. Fortunately the driver walked through the train and opened the door for me to jump down on to the tracks and walk back to the station.

 

[70014IronDuke]

Fell asleep, station staff didn't check the train and woke up in the Thameslink carriage sidings at Bedford on one occasion. Fortunately the driver walked through the train and opened the door for me to jump down on to the tracks and walk back to the station.

I've done more or less the inverse - or the reverse. (Off topic, I suppose).

One Friday night, I suppose it was 1975, I'd arrived late into Paddington, and missed the last inter-city express out of St Pancras. (I'd guess it was about 21.00 in those days. Maybe there was a later one, but it would still have left me adrift in the middle of the night) Whatever, I decided the best bet was to head up to Cricklewood carriage shed. Found the foreman, explained the situation (I was a BR employee) and asked if he'd tell me what would form the 06.50 from St Pancras so I could kip in the stock. Which he, in the normal comradely way, happily did.

I think I woke up under the Barlow train shed, not noticing the ECS ride in - before wending our way north behind a Cl 45.

Don't think that would be an easy one to do these days, at least from what I read on here.

 

[Walnut_rede]

I was one of the announcers at Paddington in the late 70s early 80s and every now and again someone would manage to get taken to Old Oak Common depot. Most were a bit embarrassed but seemed to enjoy the experience, through the carriage washer on the way out and usually a cab ride in a locomotive back again. A few were absolutely furious and seemed to imply that it was somehow my fault.

 

[MrPIC]

Used to happen regular enough when I worked in a depot, they got escorted to the front gate and told where the station was, and pay more attention next time!

 

[Peter Sarf]

I've done more or less the inverse - or the reverse. (Off topic, I suppose).

One Friday night, I suppose it was 1975, I'd arrived late into Paddington, and missed the last inter-city express out of St Pancras. (I'd guess it was about 21.00 in those days. Maybe there was a later one, but it would still have left me adrift in the middle of the night) Whatever, I decided the best bet was to head up to Cricklewood carriage shed. Found the foreman, explained the situation (I was a BR employee) and asked if he'd tell me what would form the 06.50 from St Pancras so I could kip in the stock. Which he, in the normal comradely way, happily did.

I think I woke up under the Barlow train shed, not noticing the ECS ride in - before wending our way north behind a Cl 45.

Don't think that would be an easy one to do these days, at least from what I read on here.

In the late 70s there was an overnight train North from St Pancras. It must have left around midnight and arrived at Sheffield at very approximately 05:00. I suppose it was a newspaper train. I then had to wait at Sheffield for a coach connection. I remember it well because I always tried to get some more sleep on a BRUTE trolley at Sheffield but not for long as the steel floor would quite soon drag the warmth out of my body !. Many a mist/fog ridden depot was then visited.