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It was initially allocated to 331104.
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SimplyLlama
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It got swapped to a 319 at its departure time, nothing down for 104 for the rest of the day by the look of it
jonesy3001
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Probably making the most of them before they go for scrap.
Probably see 104 and 323208 in service after the Dec timetable change.
Jamesrob637
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Given that's just 3 weeks away now, I'm inclined to agree with you there.
superkev
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37612 was at Skipton Broughton Road earlier today presumably to take a 4 car 331 to Allerton. Perhaps it brought a 3 car to Skipton.
K
jonesy3001
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Went over with 331002 was supposed to bring back 107 but had problems with the brakes even though 107 is in service on the triangle has I'm typing.
Fascinating to see how it is actually quite a 'manual' process with SD cards, I thought they would just be sat in the office drinking coffee and updating them over a mobile data link
Still don't quite know why they've recently decided to do a remix with the female voice having the honours of saying 'This is the Northern service to' before Mr Yorkshire takes over all of a sudden though!
I noticed this week they seem to have done some sneaky updates to the SD Cards and now 'This 'ere is t'Northern service t' York' is all announced in the male voice rather than the mish mash of voices!
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Realtime Trains | 5E12 1106 Wolverton Centre Sidings to Heaton T&R.S.M.D. | 25/11/2023
Real-time train running information for 5E12 1106 departure from Wolverton Centre Sidings to Heaton T&R.S.M.D. on 25/11/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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SimplyLlama
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104 is supposed to be back out today https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P56759/2023-11-23/detailed
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And today’s Allerton to Skipton transfer has been cancelled https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04657/2023-11-23/detailed
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And today’s Allerton to Skipton transfer has been cancelled https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04657/2023-11-23/detailed
jonesy3001
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They've probably given up swapping them about, find out if the skipton run is cancelled later.
No, they have not.
jonesy3001
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2 Cancelled trips so far, will it be 3?
Evolution
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AIUI the loco couldn’t get brake release on Tuesday at Skipton, as a result, that trip back to Allerton was cancelled. The loco remained at Broughton road ready for today’s drag back to Allerton.
jonesy3001
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That's if it happens, wonder if ROG will have to change the loco or is it the units causing the problem.
15L just setting off.
331102 is the unit.
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NorthYorkshire
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Saw it head out of Skipton, originally was slightly worried seeing it was delayed and thought it might turn out like Tuesday's failed drag I attempted to watch
You made it sound as if they'd decided just to shelve the idea and leave the units where they are.
Or... they could just sort the issue?
jonesy3001
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Reverse psychology
Evolution
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Difficult to say really, could have been either. I'd have thought the unit would have had the brakes isolated if there was no DC power from the loco to the TMS/BCU. If DC power is available then the loco supplies lower air pressure for friction braking (2.8 bar IIRC), maybe there was an issue here?
I saw 331104 departing vic earlier.
SimplyLlama
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102 is out today, it appears that the /1s are all going to start operating as soon as they transfer but not the /0s. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P55809/2023-11-24/detailed
jonesy3001
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Did today's allerton to skipton run or has it been cancelled?
Jamesrob637
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Not the smoothest of starts, but at least it was nothing to do with the unit itself.
It's definitely not running with the unit as a swinger.
331s have a loco rescue mode and a valve to allow the brakes to work off the loco air supply.
superkev
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Reading back am I correct that 4 cars now at Allerton are 331 102 and 104 and some 3 cars (numbers?) May be at Skipton?
I've forgotten as to how many are being exchanged.
Thanks.
K
I've forgotten as to how many are being exchanged.
Thanks.
K
Halish Railway
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Its like for like at the moment, so 12 exchanges. More 331/0s will move east once a sufficient number of 323s have transferred to Northern.
superkev
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If it's a 12 for 12 331 unit swap that means the west will gain 12 class 331 coaches from the east.
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jonnyfan
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It's a swap of all 12 x 4 car 331s moving from East to West, and 9 x 3 car 331s moving West to East. So the West gains 21 carriages, but loses 60 carriages (15 x 4 car Class 319s), so a 39 net loss...although the 331 carriages are longer at ~23m compared to 20m 319s.
EDIT: also the single Class 323 from WMT, so a net loss of 36 carriages in the West
EDIT: also the single Class 323 from WMT, so a net loss of 36 carriages in the West
reecestrains
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Today's run has been cancelled due to the train operators request in both directions according to RTT.
Evolution
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That’s what I was alluding to above.
CAF397
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Anyone who has been past Allerton in recent months will not have failed to have seen scores of 319s, 323s and quite a few 331s parked. Not all would have been on maintenance, so this loss of 36 carriages (as alluded to above) should not be drastically felt. Maybe on the Blackpool-Manchester corridor where what was regular 6-car workings will now be some 3 or 4 cars.