Northern Unit Refurbishments and depot allocations.

[Mollman]

Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the ROSCO be paying for corrosion repair and DDA work (accessible bog, upgraded PIS) with the money for above minimum (new seats, better lighting etc) coming from Northern?

 

[Bertie the bus]

Additionally anything to do with DDA is a requirement by law, therefore when press releases by Rail North and Northern stated existing stock would be refurbished and modernised a bigger toilet and a PIS don’t count as these would have had to be done anyway and are nothing to do with the franchise or franchisee.

 

[Roose]

Of course they count - they are part of general improvements, no matter the source of the funds.

And, in more general terms, perhaps we should await final completion of work before passing over-indignant comments?

 

[Bertie the bus]

I think you need to read some of the press releases from the time the franchise was announced and again when it began before commenting.

 

[jshaw]

So am I right in thinking that 155346 is still away but 158756 is already back??

Am I also right in saying that 150275 is back and 150276 has gone up. Any other up there?

Many Thanks

 

[M1544]

So am I right in thinking that 155346 is still away but 158756 is already back??

Am I also right in saying that 150275 is back and 150276 has gone up. Any other up there?

Many Thanks

Yes that's correct

 

[superkev]

So am I right in thinking that 155346 is still away but 158756 is already back??

Am I also right in saying that 150275 is back and 150276 has gone up. Any other up there?

Many Thanks

I believe this is the correct position.
3 units part done in 9 months!!!
K

 

[northernchris]

It didn't take long for 158 756 to be done compared to 752!

 

[61653 HTAFC]

It didn't take long for 158 756 to be done compared to 752!

It's not unusual for the first unit to take longer... but as the first 158 was unsatisfactory anyway it's surprising the second was so quick. As for the 155, given the amount of corrosion it should come back "like new"(!)

 

[Mordac]

It's not unusual for the first unit to take longer... but as the first 158 was unsatisfactory anyway it's surprising the second was so quick. As for the 155, given the amount of corrosion it should come back "like new"(!)

Assuming there's any metal left by the time they finish scraping all the rust away!

 

[Astradyne]

Assuming there's any metal left by the time they finish scraping all the rust away!

Can't believe it is that bad or the others would have had to have been taken out of service.... surely?

 

[superkev]

Assuming there's any metal left by the time they finish scraping all the rust away!

With a bit of luck they will write them all off as uneconomic to do. 155's truly awfull things. Designed by someone with no legs.
K

 

[northwichcat]

With a bit of luck they will write them all off as uneconomic to do. 155's truly awfull things. Designed by someone with no legs.
K

Squeezing around 160 seats in to a 2+2 formation train opposed to around 146 doesn't automatically make the class of the train bad. I've noticed on 155s the leg room is inconsistent with some seats having quite a bit more than others.

 

[DarloRich]

I know they couldn't afford to do it for Northern - the issue I have is the claims and failure to deliver on them. Which as I said is an issue of corporate culture coming straight from the top.

Mind you I have been on the new 158 and it seemed very nice and comfortable with free wifi and usb charging points. it seemed a decent job.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Mind you I have been on the new 158 and it seemed very nice and comfortable with free wifi and usb charging points. it seemed a decent job.

I'm sure it is a good-quality refresh (so is the LM 150) - but what it isn't is a transformational refurb - that's what the ATW or ScotRail refurb is, for example.

 

[DarloRich]

I'm sure it is a good-quality refresh (so is the LM 150) - but what it isn't is a transformational refurb - that's what the ATW or ScotRail refurb is, for example.

it is miles better than the LM 150 work but then they will be used for different service types.

I think the 158 work could well be a transformational refurb. It creates a lot better environment and offers new facilities.

 

[Bungle965]

Mind you I have been on the new 158 and it seemed very nice and comfortable with free wifi and usb charging points. it seemed a decent job.

That would have not been the refurbished one, there is currently a 158 running around with free WiFi, USB plug sockets, air purification system and a screen which shows the trains calling pattern and connections available. This is however only available in one half of the unit only.
The project was done separate the current refurbishment project.
Sam

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[DarloRich]

That would have not been the refurbished one, there is currently a 158 running around with free WiFi, USB plug sockets, air purification system and a screen which shows the trains calling pattern and connections available. This is however only available in one half of the unit only.
The project was done separate the current refurbishment project.
Sam

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oh. I have been on two different ones then! I didn't notice.

 

[Astradyne]

Did 158756 actually make it back? If so, did anything go back up in its place?

 

[47802]

Wonder what the new boss of Northern when they get one will think of the quality of the Refurbs?

Will the quality of the Scotrail HST refurb have to be downgraded to meet Northern Standards

 

[jshaw]

Did 158756 actually make it back? If so, did anything go back up in its place?

It did come back, but as far as I know nothing went up. I wonder if the quality of the 158s were not good enough so the rest are being done elsewhere??

 

[M1544]

158753 is on its way north to Kilmarnock this evening.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

I'm told 150275 went back to Kilmarnock today.

 

[superkev]

I'm told 150275 went back to Kilmarnock today.

All doesent seem at all well with Northerns dmu'redecorations.
Never heard of this company Brodies. Are they new?
K

 

[185143]

I'm told 150275 went back to Kilmarnock today.

Seen several photos of it on facebook. Anyone know why its gone back?

 

[507 001]

It was on the back road (next to 150 210) at NH earlier, by the time I'd gone to Shaw and back it was gone......

150 210 has new bogies at the inner ends, both of which are chocked and have ratchet straps around the dampers.

 

[rossco156433]

All doesent seem at all well with Northerns dmu'redecorations.
Never heard of this company Brodies. Are they new?
K

Brodies have been about for a few years now. They did the last major overhaul / refurbishment of the 334's for Scotrail. The have also recently done the rolling stock for 'The Grand Hibernian' in Ireland and completely rebuild 156478 after it went for a swim two years ago. 170204 is also on site getting a new front end following its accident in April last year.

The 158's are being overhauled by Brodies and the 150's across the line at Wabtec.

 

[childwallblues]

Brodies have been about for a few years now. They did the last major overhaul / refurbishment of the 334's for Scotrail. The have also recently done the rolling stock for 'The Grand Hibernian' in Ireland and completely rebuild 156478 after it went for a swim two years ago. 170204 is also on site getting a new front end following its accident in April last year.

The 158's are being overhauled by Brodies and the 150's across the line at Wabtec.

Brodies used to be Hunslet Barclay. They built the 323s in 1992-94, the Class 143 Pacers and trailers 201-208 for the Glasgow Subway amongst other things.

 

[rossco156433]

Brodies used to be Hunslet Barclay. They built the 323s in 1992-94, the Class 143 Pacers and trailers 201-208 for the Glasgow Subway amongst other things.

Brodies were not Hunslet Barclays. Wabtec have taken over the Barclays operation (aquired from Brush a number of years ago). Brodie Engineering built a purpose built depot across from the wabtec site in the former Network Rail Bonnyton sidings.

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[DarloRich]

Brodies used to be Hunslet Barclay. They built the 323s in 1992-94, the Class 143 Pacers and trailers 201-208 for the Glasgow Subway amongst other things.

no they didn't. Wabtec took over what were Hunselt Barclay operations in Kilmarnock