Northern rolling stock changes post electrification

[LNW-GW Joint]

No, in a word!
Although Northern Liverpool drivers (or more likely driver instructors) may need to route learn Crewe in order to facilitate practical handling on 319s due to delays with the OHLE on the western half of the Chat Moss route.

Northern crews already work via Runcorn (on ECS/parly from Chester).
I'm not sure you can describe the Chat Moss electrification as "late" yet.
The wires from Crewe have only been up for 50 years...

 

[Llama]

The electrification between Earlestown East Jn and (what is to become) Bootle Branch Jn OHNS is about two months behind.

 

[455driver]

Nothing to stop the shunt engine moving it along to a good bit of juice or outbased for training.

Does the shunt engine have a tightlock coupling?
If not how exactly is it going to move it?

 

[TOCDriver]

Does the shunt engine have a tightlock coupling?
If not how exactly is it going to move it?

Tow rope

 

[DJH1971]

The electrification between Earlestown East Jn and (what is to become) Bootle Branch Jn OHNS is about two months behind.

Where did you hear this, as Network Rail still appears to be standing firm on December 2014?

 

[Llama]

A meeting. The original commissioning date was planned to be Sept 2014.

 

[DJH1971]

A meeting. The original commissioning date was planned to be Sept 2014.

Looks like I had good reason all along to be a bit worried about the lack of progress in certain areas!

Going into Manchester from St Helens Junction today, there still appears to be no work on the Sankey Viaduct or any structures at Earlestown, although yesterday I can confirm a number of mast bases are now situated on the West-South curve (Liverpool to Warrington Bank Quay).

 

[westcoaster]

Is 377213 in the fleet yet, if not it and a n other have been delivered this afternoon.


http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/X48946/2014/08/02/advanced

 

[WatcherZero]

The NR annual report was out last week which has performance reports on all projects. According to that report there were no slippages anywhere except liverpool-Leeds line speed improvements had slipped from March to August.

 

[Starmill]

The NR annual report was out last week which has performance reports on all projects. According to that report there were no slippages anywhere except liverpool-Leeds line speed improvements had slipped from March to August.

Oh, I didn't realise the project included any line speed improvements between Manchester and Leeds!? Chat Moss used to be 75 throughout didn't it? Bits are already up to 90 - I understand more to come?

 

[childwallblues]

No, in a word!
Although Northern Liverpool drivers (or more likely driver instructors) may need to route learn Crewe in order to facilitate practical handling on 319s due to delays with the OHLE on the western half of the Chat Moss route.

What delays with wiring on the line between Earlestown to Edge Hill?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

What delays with wiring on the line between Earlestown to Edge Hill?

The "completion" date (GRIP stage 6) that is being measured by the DfT/ORR is December 2014.
The NR project plan was to finish in September to allow running in and (no doubt) crew training on the 319s.
Looks like, as for Phase1, they will finish "just in time" for the December date.
Naturally, it puts more pressure on the rest of the NW wiring programme.
Phase 2 also includes Ordsall Lane-Victoria, which might finish first.

 

[northwichcat]

The 319s need new pantographs fitted before they are allowed on the newly wired Chat Moss route but apparently they can be changed in 24 hours if they've not already been swapped.

 

[Whistler40145]

Is that because their not compatible with the new OHLE or just worn out?

 

[DJH1971]

The 319s need new pantographs fitted before they are allowed on the newly wired Chat Moss route but apparently they can be changed in 24 hours if they've not already been swapped.

I remember hearing this a couple of years ago in a magazine.

 

[455driver]

Tow rope

Not really going to work when you want to push the unit though!

Oh and I am sure that such a 'dangerous' idea would break about 20 elf & saifty rools!

 

[user15681]

From WNXX for those not on there, works at Wolverton for 362 will include a refresh. DfT told Northern nothing should be done to the units until the next franchise, but it seems Northern have managed to lobby for a minor cosmetic refresh now. Then will go north from Wolverton behind 57306.

 

[WatcherZero]

I thought that was always the plan limited works such as, unplating guard controls, debranding, deep clean, new seat covers, etc...

 

[Whistler40145]

Is it just 362 being fettled at Wolverton or will the others follow?

 

[DJH1971]

I thought that was always the plan limited works such as, unplating guard controls, debranding, deep clean, new seat covers, etc...

And also air con fitted

 

[caliburn53]

according to rail magazine only 14 units are being cascaded to northern

 

[thealexweb]

according to rail magazine only 14 units are being cascaded to northern

Do you mean so far announced or that is it? What about Hazel Grove to Preston, Stalybridge to Blackpool North and a whole host of other routes that will need EMUs in the next 2-3 years?

 

[DJH1971]

Do you mean so far announced or that is it? What about Hazel Grove to Preston, Stalybridge to Blackpool North and a whole host of other routes that will need EMUs in the next 2-3 years?

14 is definitely not enough here.

 

[Manchester77]

Do you mean so far announced or that is it? What about Hazel Grove to Preston, Stalybridge to Blackpool North and a whole host of other routes that will need EMUs in the next 2-3 years?

Almost certain he means the former.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

TSGN are planning to move the dual voltage 377s off what is now Southern and use them on what is currently FCC that they are taking over; that will presumably release a load of 317s for the north west?

 

[petersi]

TSGN are planning to move the dual voltage 377s off what is now Southern and use them on what is currently FCC that they are taking over; that will presumably release a load of 317s for the north west?

The 317s and 321s were always going to be cascaded. This will release some 365s

 

[thealexweb]

14 is definitely not enough here.

14 can only just cover the routes going over to electric from December, even then its a push and because the Liverpool to Blackpool North can only run as far as Preston.

 

[DJH1971]

14 can only just cover the routes going over to electric from December, even then its a push and because the Liverpool to Blackpool North can only run as far as Preston.

Wonder what other EMU's we could get?

The DfT need to get their finger our.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

And also air con fitted

No, aircon is a future possibility when the size of the eventual Northern fleet is agreed.
14 units with minimum upgrade is to get Northern up to the 2016 new franchise date.
Anything beyond that is up to the bidders after the ITT is out in December.

 

[DJH1971]

No, aircon is a future possibility when the size of the eventual Northern fleet is agreed.
14 units with minimum upgrade is to get Northern up to the 2016 new franchise date.
Anything beyond that is up to the bidders after the ITT is out in December.

Heard originally on the NW-sparks website that they were going to be fitted.