Northern P-coding - Contradicting themselves

[185]

Silly generic question. If a train departs after midnight Friday, say midnight twenty on Saturday (Strike day) should they be p-coding the train?

A similar situation occurred some time ago during the week and they claimed in one email

"As the day before was a strike day, the 0020 will not run, it's in the previous day's timetable" (Northern CS Manager No 1)

However they contradict themselves with another email weeks later

"This train is at 0020 and the strike starts at 2359 so this obviously can not run" (Northern CS Manager No 2)

Obviously, they can't have it both ways. After contacting the ORR, a third email from Northern's organ grinder states

"Apologies, it is in the day before's timetable. A bus will provided when / if this happens." (Northern Senior Manager)

And.. guess what.... It's happened again, truly shocking behaviour from their train planners.

Any other lines where this is happening?

 

[The Planner]

Silly generic question. If a train departs after midnight Friday, say midnight twenty on Saturday (Strike day) should they be p-coding the train?

A similar situation occurred some time ago during the week and they claimed in one email

"As the day before was a strike day, the 0020 will not run, it's in the previous day's timetable" (Northern CS Manager No 1)

However they contradict themselves with another email weeks later

"This train is at 0020 and the strike starts at 2359 so this obviously can not run" (Northern CS Manager No 2)

Obviously, they can't have it both ways. After contacting the ORR, a third email from Northern's organ grinder states

"Apologies, it is in the day before's timetable. A bus will provided when / if this happens." (Northern Senior Manager)

And.. guess what.... It's happened again, truly shocking behaviour from their train planners.

Any other lines where this is happening?

Why is it shocking from their train planners? They are just doing as instructed.

 

[74A]

Why can't it run ? Surely the driver will have booked on before 2359.

 

[800001]

Why can't it run ? Surely the driver will have booked on before 2359.

How do you know driver doesn’t book on at 00:01?

 

[74A]

How do you know driver doesn’t book on at 00:01?

19 minutes seems too short between booking on and driving a train.

 

[800001]

19 minutes seems too short between booking on and driving a train.

Does it? Seems perfectly fine for me, am sure they have book on, 10 min to read safety notices etc then head to train.

 

[185]

How do you know driver doesn’t book on at 00:01?

Because he books on at 1658, supports some awful football team and has a beard. Allegedly.

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Why is it shocking from their train planners? They are just doing as instructed.

Planners make the decisions in line with the basics of the ordinary passenger timetable - the old PSR. Removing a train for unit diagramming purposes (leaving a unit in the right place for Sunday morning) does not justify removing the last passenger train of the night from the timetable and sticking the traincrew in a taxi back to their home depot

If other TOCs follow these basic rules, Northern have to.

 

[The Planner]

Planners make the decisions in line with the basics of the ordinary passenger timetable - the old PSR. Removing a train for unit diagramming purposes (leaving a unit in the right place for Sunday morning) does not justify removing the last passenger train of the night from the timetable and sticking the traincrew in a taxi back to their home depot

If other TOCs follow these basic rules, Northern have to.

Right, so if they get told to do it, why is it their fault?

 

[newtownmgr]

19 minutes seems too short between booking on and driving a train.

Will depend on the depot. We have 14 mins from booking on until relieving or departure if travelling pass

 

[185]

Right, so if they get told to do it, why is it their fault?

Depends on who's been given free reign to remove or include services, this may differ toc by toc, but here it seems they've taken this decision themselves with no-one telling them to do it, because they thought that was meeting the basic spec of the daily service requirement and leaving a unit in place for Sunday.

 

[scrapy]

Which service is this?

 

[Trackman]

I'm curious about this, could you give details of the service please.. ah.. someone has just posted as I'm typing!

 

[Horizon22]

Does it? Seems perfectly fine for me, am sure they have book on, 10 min to read safety notices etc then head to train.

Quite unlikely in reality, especially with the book on time.

The timetable rebuilds at 0300, so the 00:20 would be in the timetable from the previous day normally.

 

[800001]

Quite unlikely in reality, especially with the book on time.

The timetable rebuilds at 0300, so the 00:20 would be in the timetable from the previous day normally.

That has nothing to do with book on time though

 

[Horizon22]

That has nothing to do with book on time though

I know that; they are two separate points. I just said that 00:01 is quite unlikely for a book on time for a driver. A night turn driver is likely to start 2200-2330