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I notice this applies on the Barton on Humber branch too.
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roversfan2001
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Also a lot of new CDS/CDR's on Northern flows from Leyland, good news for me 
And as of the new fares round, there are first class fares from Leyland to Preston...where no first class accommodation is available...
And as of the new fares round, there are first class fares from Leyland to Preston...where no first class accommodation is available...
Also a lot of new CDS/CDR's on Northern flows from Leyland, good news for me
And as of the new fares round, there are first class fares from Leyland to Preston...where no first class accommodation is available...
It's used to be available on several trains throughout the day. These have become gradually reduced though, I can see only the 0625 from Leyland to Blackpool North for today.
Chester -> Lancaster Off Peak Return, 8A any train, £39.80 (ATW)
Warrington -> Lancaster Anytime Return, £41.00 (VT)
Ormskirk -> Lancaster Anytime Short Return £17.30 (NT)
Three different types of ticket depending on where you start from that all do the same job? It's perfectly simple and totally necessary
roversfan2001
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Even then, that service (without looking at diagrams etc.) could be run by a 156.
Slightly off topic, but relevant to your comment, I'm sure in the past 10 years TPE stopped regularly at Leyland throughout the day, with places such as Barrow able to be reached directly from Leyland.
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OK thanks, did Bradford Interchange to Blackpool North two hours early seeing as it's currently the same as waiting until 10:28 ! £23.50 SDR reduces to £19.90 CDR.
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northwichcat
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The only new fare I can find from Knutsford is a £12.30 off-peak day return to Stalybridge. Yet a Wayfarer costing £12 is valid for that journey at off-peak times. A lot of the flows without off-peak day returns from KNF are set by ATW or EMT despite in many cases it not being possible to use those operators if travelling via the permitted routes!
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Looks like Sheffield-Lincoln will be getting an Off Peak Day Return fare too of £14.30, compared to the SDR at £16.90.
Sheffield-Hull intriguingly has a new Off Peak Day Return fare of £23.40, down from the current Off Peak Day Return fare of £26.10.
Sheffield-Cleethorpe via Brigg SDR of £19.00 is now undercut by a new Off Peak Day Return fare of £16.10. As you can only travel on this line on Saturdays that rather makes the SDR fare redundant!
Sheffield-Hull intriguingly has a new Off Peak Day Return fare of £23.40, down from the current Off Peak Day Return fare of £26.10.
Sheffield-Cleethorpe via Brigg SDR of £19.00 is now undercut by a new Off Peak Day Return fare of £16.10. As you can only travel on this line on Saturdays that rather makes the SDR fare redundant!
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So? A Meridian could be replaced with a pair of sprinters on the Midland Mainline, does that mean they shouldn't offer First Class fares? The service has First Class accommodation. There's a procedure to follow of a train without any substitutes for it.
roversfan2001
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I know that, I was just expanding on your comment about the decline in 1st class services.
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Restriction codes B1 or B3 depending on the journey I'm told.
Yes. They are apparently being priced at around 85% of the Anytime Day Return fare, so some will cost less than the Anytime Day Single.
Where the Off-Peak Day Return is priced lower than the Anytime Single, an Off-Peak Day Single is being created.
Because of these changes? No, I don't think so. Some Off-Peak fares are changing though, apparently with an aspiration to be priced around 85% of the Anytime Day Return Fares. Greater Manchester based Off-Peak Day fares are rising by "a maximum of 50p". Some are going up by less than 50p, but equally it means some fares are rising by as much as 20%.
Nope, staff brief only went out yesterday and that was 24 hours after a member of frontline staff became aware of the change, because of a passenger, and enquired on a staff interaction webpage, and that was at least 24 hours after the pricing team were asked by the social media team because Joe Public asked them!
Gorton to Manchester is going up from £2.10 to £2.60 - just under 25%. Northern can bugger off if they think I'm paying that each day - I'll just get the bus.
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Which is how much?
£2.70, and only £2 more per weekly, but with a service every 3 minutes rather than 30!
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northwichcat
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£2.60 for an off-peak return for a 5 minute journey each way and you'll refuse to buy it. Knutsford to Mobberley is £3.50 return for a 5 minute journey each way when it's only 1tph - some people in Greater Manchester don't realise how low their fares are! I imagine the change is due to a cut in a subsidy provided by TfGM.
northwichcat
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In my area we've seen bus fares increase from £3.50 to £4.80 overnight and from £5 to £6.55 overnight (both with no advance warning to passengers) which is mainly due to the council trying to get away without subsiding services. I imagine this change to TfGM subsided rail tickets is for similar reasons. Would you rather have a 10p increase with the free Metrolink add-on being withdrawn? Or would you rather have the same train fare but an increase to your council tax to pay for the subsidy?
If/when Greater Manchester gets zonal ticketing I imagine the central zone will be similar to the Metrolink central zone with people from places like Gorton and Mauldeth Road paying a 2 zone fare.
roversfan2001
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Everyone can manipulate stats in different ways, I could easily say that Northern are brilliant for reducing off-peak LEY<>PRE fares by 15.5%, which sounds like a lot, however that is actually only 70p...
The bus takes 10 minutes, comes every 3, runs through the night, has free wifi, USB charging ports and half have leather seats. The train from Gorton to Manchester is normally a 142 and last service is 8pm on Sundays. Belle Vue doesn't have a single service on Sundays.
It's not all about price - there's a quality/price/frequency dynamic but the new prices don't reflect the service provided. I travel by train wherever possible but the dwindling number of passengers boarding at my local stations is only going to decrease once the new fares are applied.
PermitToTravel
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I travel to the vicinities of both of those stations regularly, and am shocked that anyone bothers with Northern's ludicrous offering. It would need to be a significant discount on the bus fare to be worth bothering with. Costing more than the bus? Not a chance in hell.
Are they trying to get rid of their remaining customers in the region so that they can close their stations between the city centre and the Stockport boundary?
Are they trying to get rid of their remaining customers in the region so that they can close their stations between the city centre and the Stockport boundary?
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If you're buying that ticket 3 or 4 times a week that 70p will quickly start to add up. I haven't seen the price of something I buy regularly jump by 23.4% overnight before ever. It's unbelievable.
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Maybe this isn't such a far fetced thought.
Don't forget the December 2017 changes to the stopping trains between Manchester, Huddersfield and Leeds. This will mean some of the intermediate stations will no longer have a train service to some of the other intermediate stations like they currently do.
The DfT supports this as it says there is a perfectly good local bus service which local people should use for local journeys between villages and adjacent stations, allowing the train to be better at moving people into the towns and cities, where it has an advantage over the bus.
Basically they say that as it stands at the moment both modes of public transport cannot do the same thing, so each one should specialise in what it is more suited to.
northwichcat
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Network Rail did consultations with passengers and many using stations west of Huddersfield cited a direct service to Leeds would be better than a direct rail service to the next village, when there is already a more frequent bus service.
I can remember when interest rates were 15% and inflation was more than 10%
There were 'interesting' price increases back then!
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Finding Northern's service to be apalling since the Arriva takeover-something I have noticed more and more across the Arriva brand recently.
For the last couple of weeks, I have been catching the bus into Manchester from Irlam, instead of the train, at peak and off peak times. The saving (as a 16 year old IGO card holder is very significant.
£35 per week from Birchwood to Manchester (3tph) v £7 per week for the bus from Irlam (5bph)? That for me is a no brainer!
As FirstManchester offer a Student weekly ticket for a tenner, I can't see me switching back to the train anytime soon! (Unless it's for college)
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For the last couple of weeks, I have been catching the bus into Manchester from Irlam, instead of the train, at peak and off peak times. The saving (as a 16 year old IGO card holder is very significant.
£35 per week from Birchwood to Manchester (3tph) v £7 per week for the bus from Irlam (5bph)? That for me is a no brainer!
As FirstManchester offer a Student weekly ticket for a tenner, I can't see me switching back to the train anytime soon! (Unless it's for college)
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