New interoperability Ticketing agreement for Cornwall

[TheGrandWazoo]

Hey @On the Buses do you know if the day adventure tickets will be part of this scheme?

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[On the Buses]

Hey @On the Buses do you know if the day adventure tickets will be part of this scheme?

Yes I know. In Cornwall the AbB routes will be part of the TfC project

 

[Kieanh4]

Yes I know. In Cornwall the AbB routes will be part of the TfC project

@On the Buses Sorry, I mean will the Adventures by Bus unlimited tickets on the App be valid on TfC buses?

 

[On the Buses]

@On the Buses Sorry, I mean will the AbB unlimited tickets on the App be valid on TfC buses?

The Adventures by Bus range of tickets will change for the 2022 season.

 

[Kieanh4]

The AbB range of tickets will change for the 2022 season

Makes sense, but right now its the best value bundle you can get right now for Cornwall by Kernow buses is the 15 day adventure bundle at £60 working out only £4 a ticket.

 

[On the Buses]

Makes sense, but right now its the best value bundle you can get right now for Cornwall by Kernow buses is the 15 day adventure bundle at £60 working out only £4 a ticket.

That’s not for network use.

 

[Busaholic]

No that element is a commercial action. But the current day ticket price is very much a leisure product and generally discounted beyond the £15 in most cases where it is purchased.

That's an interesting admission. The £15 ticket can be purchased for £13 by app, but I'm not aware of a cheaper option. The high price has been the subject of many adverse comments on this forum over the last few years, plus various times in Buses magazine, including articles by people either senior in the industry or formerly so. Now suddenly it can be reduced by 30% or more! Also an interesting Radio 4 programme last year in which a bus driver with American accent who said he'd worked in that job in different countries over twenty years said he'd never come across a bus fare as comparably high as the Camborne/Redruth to Truro one, especially given the economic circumstances of many of the locals.

 

[On the Buses]

That's an interesting admission. The £15 ticket can be purchased for £13 by app, but I'm not aware of a cheaper option. The high price has been the subject of many adverse comments on this forum over the last few years, plus various times in Buses magazine, including articles by people either senior in the industry or formerly so. Now suddenly it can be reduced by 30% or more! Also an interesting Radio 4 programme last year in which a bus driver with American accent who said he'd worked in that job in different countries over twenty years said he'd never come across a bus fare as comparably high as the Camborne/Redruth to Truro one, especially given the economic circumstances of many of the locals.

It’s not some kind of ‘admission’. It’s stating the obvious. The maximum return in £9. Bundles of day tickets are £6 or £5. Weekly tickets have been £28/30 for 7 days.

 

[richw]

The £15 ticket can be purchased for £13 by app, but I'm not aware of a cheaper option.

Other than one off users, there are multiple other options which come cheaper.
The bundle of 5 day tickets for £30 on the app being a common ticket I see as a driver. Effectively a Carnet style ticket.

 

[LateThanNever]

Is the Bude area included?

 

[Goldfish62]

Is the Bude area included?

Bude is included on the TfC network map and on timetables so the answer is surely yes.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Bude is included on the TfC network map and on timetables so the answer is surely yes.

And Stagecoach is listed as one of the firms involved too.

 

[embers25]

The question is what about services to and from Plymoith as currently the Citybus Zone 4 covers Plymouth and Cornwall for 9 pounds so this new ticket will not be great for all if it excludes Plymouth.

 

[richw]

The question is what about services to and from Plymoith as currently the Citybus Zone 4 covers Plymouth and Cornwall for 9 pounds so this new ticket will not be great for all if it excludes Plymouth.

The go ahead map has two products, one that ends at the border and says not valid into Plymouth, and one that covers Cornwall and Plymouth, oddly both priced the same even though the latter gives a bigger area.

 

[embers25]

The go ahead map has two products, one that ends at the border and says not valid into Plymouth, and one that covers Cornwall and Plymouth, oddly both priced the same even though the latter gives a bigger area.

Agreed but on bus they sell Zone 4 happily in Cornwall and so I'm wondering whether this new ticket will cover their whole Zone 4 too or, if that is to be withdrawn, then that would be a retrograde step. I agree, however, that their Cornwall Day Ticket is completely superfluous!

 

[Goldfish62]

Perhaps this thread should be retitled "Cornwall ticketing interoperability". I feel that describes it better. Multi-operator ticketing just makes it sound like various schemes elsewhere which it's not.

 

[On the Buses]

Perhaps this thread should be retitled "Cornwall ticketing interoperability". I feel that describes it better. Multi-operator ticketing just makes it sound like various schemes elsewhere which it's not.

You are technically correct. Competition law is very prescriptive in respect of joint ticketing. This is not a ‘Multi operator ticketing scheme’ as defined in law, but is an inter operable ticketing agreement. Both require a series of actions to be met which are different.

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Agreed but on bus they sell Zone 4 happily in Cornwall and so I'm wondering whether this new ticket will cover their whole Zone 4 too or, if that is to be withdrawn, then that would be a retrograde step. I agree, however, that their Cornwall Day Ticket is completely superfluous!

But when Cornwall fares are reduced within the low fares funding, the. I guess it will be relevant.

 

[Goldfish62]

Looking on the respective operators' apps and websites on the first day of the interoperable ticketing:

First:
App - new fares showing, plus new one day town zone tickets.
Website - previous fares information removed

GoAhead:
App - new fares showing, but no one day town zone tickets
Website - no updates. Old fares and ticketing information still displayed.

UPDATE: Either I wasn't looking properly earlier or the one day town zone tickets have just appeared on the GCB app.

One discrepancy I have noticed is that First's app continues to show day ticket validity as "one day" yet GoAhead show it as 24 hours. Only one can be correct!

 

[Kieanh4]

Looking on the respective operators' apps and websites on the first day of the interoperable ticketing:

First:
App - new fares showing, plus new one day town zone tickets.
Website - previous fares information removed

GoAhead:
App - new fares showing, but no one day town zone tickets
Website - no updates. Old fares and ticketing information still displayed.

UPDATE: Either I wasn't looking properly earlier or the one day town zone tickets have just appeared on the GCB app.

One discrepancy I have noticed is that First's app continues to show day ticket validity as "one day" yet GoAhead show it as 24 hours. Only one can be correct!

Also to further that I have noticed that first have removed there discounted direct debit ticket, making the commuter club ticket the only discounted ticket.

 

[Goldfish62]

Also to further that I have noticed that first have removed there discounted direct debit ticket, making the commuter club ticket the only discounted ticket.

Presumably for it to have continued GoAhead would also have had to introduce the scheme and given the wider fares reduction from April anyway it wouldn't have been worth it.

 

[Kieanh4]

Presumably for it to have continued GoAhead would also have had to introduce the scheme and given the wider fares reduction from April anyway it wouldn't have been worth it.

Maybe it was more hassle than it was worth then to remove the commuter club tickets

 

[Goldfish62]

Maybe it was more hassle than it was worth then to remove the commuter club tickets

It's not open to the general public anyway, only employees of organisations that have signed up to it, as I understand, so similar to the college schemes.

 

[RPI]

This is all fantastic news and will hopefully get people out of their cars onto what is a pretty good bus service in Cornwall, one thought though, with a government funded fares reduction incoming, does this have the potential to undercut the equivalent rail fares on parallel routes? If so then it could be merely robbing Peter to pay Paul - but both ultimately funded by the taxpayer.

 

[Goldfish62]

This is all fantastic news and will hopefully get people out of their cars onto what is a pretty good bus service in Cornwall, one thought though, with a government funded fares reduction incoming, does this have the potential to undercut the equivalent rail fares on parallel routes? If so then it could be merely robbing Peter to pay Paul - but both ultimately funded by the taxpayer.

Don't think that's a major issue because on the few parallel corridors rail competes on speed.

The DfT and Treasury are doing an excellent job deterring people from using trains anyway, and I would much rather people transfer to bus than private car.

 

[RPI]

Don't think that's a major issue because on the few parallel corridors rail competes on speed.

The DfT and Treasury are doing an excellent job deterring people from using trains anyway, and I would much rather people transfer to bus than private car.

I'm not so sure re speed, Newquay to say Truro is far quicker by bus!

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

I'm not so sure re speed, Newquay to say Truro is far quicker by bus!

I doubt anyone is doing Newquay to Truro by train anyway

 

[Busaholic]

I'm not so sure re speed, Newquay to say Truro is far quicker by bus!

If the bus went via Lostwithiel it mightn't! Few travel by bus between Penzance and Truro centre, other than passholders.

 

[richw]

This is all fantastic news and will hopefully get people out of their cars onto what is a pretty good bus service in Cornwall, one thought though, with a government funded fares reduction incoming, does this have the potential to undercut the equivalent rail fares on parallel routes? If so then it could be merely robbing Peter to pay Paul - but both ultimately funded by the taxpayer.

The trains are also coming under the Transport for Cornwall umbrella according to this weeks press release. I wonder if there will be a fares deal involving the trains. Upcoming developments are all being kept very secretive at present surrounding the partnership

 

[MotCO]

The trains are also coming under the Transport for Cornwall umbrella according to this weeks press release. I wonder if there will be a fares deal involving the trains. Upcoming developments are all being kept very secretive at present surrounding the partnership

That sounds like an interesting development. Cornwall as an area is self- contained (with sea on three sides) so looks like an ideal "pilot' site.

 

[RPI]

The trains are also coming under the Transport for Cornwall umbrella according to this weeks press release. I wonder if there will be a fares deal involving the trains. Upcoming developments are all being kept very secretive at present surrounding the partnership

Do you have a source at all? Not doubting it would just be interesting to read