New Horn Regulations

[Tom]

TBH I don't think they'd care.

Every petition so far has resulted in "we're right and you're wrong" from the govt.

 

[voyagerdude220]

TBH I don't think they'd care.

Every petition so far has resulted in "we're right and you're wrong" from the govt.

TBH I was thinking that myself, but i thought it would be worth me mentioning it incase i was wrong.

 

[Ascot]

Only glanced this and seen the mention of SID/STAR usage

Well SID is standard instrument Departure

STAR is Standard Terminal Arrival Route

SIDs

When a plane departs it turns after about 2 miles or less to a heading to fly direct to a fixed LAT and LON. Instead of giving all the coordinates they give that fixed point a name. e.g Cowley. So they fly there (i won't go into VORs and NDBs for those who try to say "oo it's not all like that"

STARs

When landing at an airport so all the aircraft do not all pile into a big mess

They fly along a set route from a place to place (again like the LAT and LON thing given a name)

They all reach a final place (e.g GROVE) then decend to an even lower altitude like 4,000ft then once the runway is clear (8 miles between each aircraft depending on size) they fly to about 11 miles away from the runway centre line.

It's more to do with air congestion than noise, that comes under noise abtainment and are rarely used as such

anyway bit of background on wat i was talkin about

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6946/cowsidscz3.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7981/grovestarsl1.jpg

EDIT: These images are off the latest AIP publication and are intended for pre flight use blah blah etc.. Don't rely on them as they may change in the next ammendment

 

[ah-media]

Well the non-stop trains going through Three Bridges are certainly stll using 2-tone today.

The Southern that passed up at 14:08 certainly used 2 tone as it came past the depot.

Not heard the FCC 319's doing it as they shoot through but I know the Electrostars do it all the time - As I live 50 yards from the line I can hear every toot !

A.

 

[Kris]

You still use two - tone if someone is on or near your line. It's pretty much open to your discretion really. If you think you need to use it then nobody is really going to have a go at you.

For instance - when I pass through Wimbledon both ways or Surbiton on the up and someone is within the yellow lines ....... then they'll get a double blast as a warning.

Same if a someone is near a crossing - one low tone initially but 2 tone if someone is spotted.

 

[voyagerdude220]

Same if a someone is near a crossing - one low tone initially but 2 tone if someone is spotted.

I was wondering how these laws will be managed- If a driver does a 2-tone at a person on the line, a manager could maybe try to claim it was me waving at him

I understand the law being passed between 23:00 & 07:00, but a complete ban?! It was bad when they stopped doing it in and out of tunnels..

 

[The 158 Man]

It was bad when they stopped doing it in and out of tunnels.

I still blast the horn as I enter and before I leave a tunnel, on the simulator anyway.

In terms of real life, I was at a friends house near a railway line last weekend, and two trains passed in the time I was there. There is a Whistle Board at this location......

The first was a Class 158 (), and the driver used both tones. Low - High.

The second was a Class 156, but the driver only used the low tone.

158s have got a better horn anyway, but even so, the warning from the 156 wasn't really much good. It sounded weak and muffled.

Obviously it's the drivers choice (ish) how to use the horn, but I'd use both tones anyway, possibly even three tones (High Low High etc) just to take the mick!

 

[voyagerdude220]

I still blast the horn as I enter and before I leave a tunnel, on the simulator anyway.

In terms of real life, I was at a friends house near a railway line last weekend, and two trains passed in the time I was there. There is a Whistle Board at this location......

The first was a Class 158 (), and the driver used both tones. Low - High.

The second was a Class 156, but the driver only used the low tone.

158s have got a better horn anyway, but even so, the warning from the 156 wasn't really much good. It sounded weak and muffled.

Obviously it's the drivers choice (ish) how to use the horn, but I'd use both tones anyway, possibly even three tones (High Low High etc) just to take the mick!

I personally always blast the horn at least two times (normaly high-low) , but sometimes do low-high-low. (This is based on the Voyager, where there's a far longer high tone, than low, when you press the keys for some reason?)

As for the 156 horn- I've always thought that they were quite weak, but i thought it was just me.. :roll:

 

[The 158 Man]

I personally always blast the horn at least two times (normaly high-low)

As for the 156 horn- I've always thought that they were quite weak, but i thought it was just me.. :roll:

Yeah, I'm a "High - Low" driver too.

I think all Sprinters are getting weaker by the day! Some of them that you hear (or not!) are absolutely attrocious!