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New Belmond train in England & Wales
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Western 52
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This passes my house later this evening. Any idea what locos are on it?
LA50041
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edit: seems 66751 was left t Vic
Western 52
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Many thanks! I'll be looking out for it later.
Wyrleybart
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The Cambrian workings are intriguing. I imagine at least one class 37 / 97 fitted with ETCS / ERTMS will be required, but probably a second loco due to "single source failure" or whatever it is known as. If this is the Network Rail 97/3s, there are only three now, so this will presumably need at least two of them serviceable at Coleham for the Cambrian portion of the Britannic timetable. How often is it planned to run down the Cambrian in the season ?
EDIT or would a GBRf 66/7 be considered as the second loco even though it would not be able to lead, neither would it be able to multi to a 97/3 in the way 37405 seems to visit the Cambrian regularly on the Chirk logs.
zwk500
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GBRf may be fitting locos with ETCS for the East Coast Mainline implementation (not sure if they have any flows that would need the signals-away section), so perhaps the Class 97s are a short-term measure?
AIUI, ETCS fitted for the ECML would need to be Baseline 3, so would be compatible with the Baseline 2 infrastructure on the Cambrian.
DarloRich
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I think the first run is Friday 13th June:
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Realtime Trains | 1Z20 1548 London Victoria to Stewarts Lane Jn | 13/06/2025
Real-time train running information for 1Z20 1548 departure from London Victoria to Stewarts Lane Jn on 13/06/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Seems a rather complicated pathing. Why was London Victoria chosen for departure when it isn't the obvious London Terminal for any of the routes operated?I think the first run is Friday 13th June:
Realtime Trains | 1Z20 1548 London Victoria to Stewarts Lane Jn | 13/06/2025
Real-time train running information for 1Z20 1548 departure from London Victoria to Stewarts Lane Jn on 13/06/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
DarloRich
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Belmond already have some sort of passenger welcoming facility on P1 at Victoria as used by their British Pullman passengers.
Wyrleybart
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Really doesn't matter as the train is not really going anywhere very fast, with a 75mph 66 or an 80mph 69 on the front, and is really all about luxury leisure. Furthermore the guests wouldn't be wanting to spill their soup or champers.
As the "Darlo Rich" above says Victoria is set up for handling "poshexes", so it all makes sense.
50002Superb
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Thanks for the heads up.I think the first run is Friday 13th June:
Realtime Trains | 1Z20 1548 London Victoria to Stewarts Lane Jn | 13/06/2025
Real-time train running information for 1Z20 1548 departure from London Victoria to Stewarts Lane Jn on 13/06/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
DarloRich
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Then supposed to do:
Saturday
KWVR > Carnforth > Workington
ECS Workington > Upperby (stable) > Penrith
Penrith > Tebay > Carlisle > Ribblehead ( arrive Sunday morning)
Sunday
Ribblehead > Holbeck > Swinton > Beighton > Deby > Banbury > Princess Risboro
Monday
Risboro > Oxford > Didcot > Ascot > Victoria
No timings as yet so details provided on best endeavours basis based on third party black box operative wibble!
_toommm_
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14/06/25:
1Z80 0736 Keighley & Wvlr to Workington
5Z80 1335 Workington to Penrith North Lakes
1Z82 1838 Penrith North Lakes to Ribblehead (arrives Ribblehead Sunday morning)
15/06/25:
1Z26 1026 Ribblehead to Princes R'boro Ace
16/06/25:
1Z66 0546 Princes R'boro Ace to London Victoria
5Z66 1022 London Victoria to Stewarts Lane T&R.S.M.D
(Edited as I forgot what year it was)
Realtime Trains | 1Z20 1548 London Victoria to Stewarts Lane Jn | 13/06/2025
Real-time train running information for 1Z20 1548 departure from London Victoria to Stewarts Lane Jn on 13/06/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
First train seems to be cancelled
50002Superb
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Surely not, how annoying!Not a great start...Realtime Trains | 1Z20 1548 London Victoria to Stewarts Lane Jn | 13/06/2025
Real-time train running information for 1Z20 1548 departure from London Victoria to Stewarts Lane Jn on 13/06/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
First train seems to be cancelled
Friday the 13th, what do you expect!Not a great start...Realtime Trains | 1Z20 1548 London Victoria to Stewarts Lane Jn | 13/06/2025
Real-time train running information for 1Z20 1548 departure from London Victoria to Stewarts Lane Jn on 13/06/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
First train seems to be cancelled
Pete_uk
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I saw on X that one of the doors was...
Well, buggered.
Well, buggered.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Cabins from £6,300!
Words fail me.
You could fly to Australia and back six times for that.
You could have a fortnight in a 5 star Barbados hotel with flights for that.
You could fly to Dubai and back in Emirates First Class for that and have enough money left for a weekend in a decent hotel there!
They don’t fail me. Belmond / LVMH has its target market, and they have so far succeeded with their other operations.
Anyway, let’s not turn this into yet another price bashing thread which ends up being locked again.
Do we know if it ended up solely at Stewart’s Lane or a late night run back to Eastleigh occurred last night?
ls2270
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The Eastleigh move did happen…5Z21 arrived there at 2201.
50002Superb
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Are they going to have another go today or is this effort canned?
Bringback309s
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Cabins at £6,300? Thats per person based on two sharing!
RTT shows 1B90 from Victoria arriving Haverfordwest 22:44 on the 21st and 28th July, then the 4th and 18th August. What it does not appear to show is any of these trains ever leaving HVF again. Am I missing something?
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Realtime Trains | Departures from Haverfordwest all day on 21/07/2025
Train information at Haverfordwest all day on 21/07/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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zwk500
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Perhaps the return path hasn't been published because it's still waiting for confirmation of something?
Killingworth
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Can't link RTT but it is there on 22nd. Try searching on an intermediate station.
Beats me. Any more clues? Headcode?
Paths do appear in RTT for workings associated with this but they don't generally happen or they become a light engine. A GBRf 66 is on the way from Tonbridge to Victoria now, and there is a path for a train to Bishops Lydeard, but there's no stock in Victoria so it's now running light in the path and the 'passenger' path cancelled.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Realtime Trains | 0Z10 1548 London Victoria to Bishops Lydeard Gbrf | 27/06/2025
Real-time train running information for 0Z10 1548 departure from London Victoria to Bishops Lydeard Gbrf on 27/06/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
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