New 225 Diagrams

[50039]

1N09/1N20 (SX) and 1N07/1Y18 (SO) are still showing on RTT as a 91-hauled set from December. However, we know that 1N09/1Y20 will be an 800/1 for the time being - the unit being produced by cancelling 1D19/1A33 Harrogate turn.

I presume something similar will happen on the SO turn.

(1N07/1Y18 is a pair of 801/1s SX, incidentally).

Thanks - so presumably I’ll get a notification from LNER when I need to update my seat reservation

 

[Judith hambly]

Instead of cancelling the 1440 harrogate why dont lner step up stock or use an ecs from ferne park to run it. the 91 of the 1433 can then do the 1510 leeds .or if need be run the 91 on the 1440 harrogate and return as far as leeds wgich is better than nothing

 

[800001]

Instead of cancelling the 1440 harrogate why dont lner step up stock or use an ecs from ferne park to run it. the 91 of the 1433 can then do the 1510 leeds .or if need be run the 91 on the 1440 harrogate and return as far as leeds wgich is better than nothing

This has been discussed many many times on this forum.

The 91 can't work the Harrogate, terminating at Leeds. As it would sit and occupy a platform until it's back working, it can't go to Neville Hill, as I believe it is booked into a bay platform as all through platforms are occupied.

What ECS from Ferme Park are you suggesting they use? If the had spare stock stabled there to use, they would!

 

[43 302]

The amendments to the Velocity timetable are being managed under the STP Informed Traveller process. This means weeks that have yet to be bid & offered will still show the LTP in RTT. If you want a good look at what the new normal is, I suggest you look at Week 41 or 42 in RTT which is the 3rd of January to the 16th.

The week 50 diagrams are mildly interesting for 91s, with that and the following few weeks being Durham Coast diverts.

 

[py_megapixel]

The amendments to the Velocity timetable are being managed under the STP Informed Traveller process. This means weeks that have yet to be bid & offered will still show the LTP in RTT.

For the benefit of those not familiar with the timetable planning process, could someone summarise what this means in layman's terms?

 

[43 302]

For the benefit of those not familiar with the timetable planning process, could someone summarise what this means in layman's terms?

To sum it all up, TOCs bid their intended timetable for a specific week at TW-16 (16 weeks prior). This takes into account engineering access, special events, and business needs etc. NR then offer it back the following Friday with certain amendments taking into account all operators. So tomorrow the plan for week 51 (14th to 20th of March) will be bid. That's why if you check RTT past those dates you can only see the LTP timetable.

 

[tubeprune]

Diagrams are attached. Skip to the last page for those marked 225-7

These are interesting. Could you explain the meaning of the two letters after the headcode, e.g. 5S04LN, please?

 

[XCTurbostar]

Interesting response:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/7_car_ic225_performance_statisti

Looking at Figure 1 in the below appendix, the benefits of a 7+2 formation can be seen. Initially from
0 to 25mph the acceleration rates are similar, however from upwards of 25mph the 7+2 formation
starts to pull away from the 9+2 formation. From the graph it can be seen it takes 4 minutes 20
seconds for the 7+2 formation to reach 125mph and the 9+2 formation takes 5 minutes, a 40
second benefit for the reduced formation.

Looking at figure 2 compares the 7+2 data against Azuma. It can be seen the Azuma still has a
better acceleration rate but the 7+2 formation 225 is not far behind. It roughly takes 4 minutes 10
seconds for an Azuma to reach 125mph and the 7+2 225 can do this in 4 minutes 15 seconds.
There is still a difference but only by 5 seconds for this section of line.

 

[xotGD]

Interesting response:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/7_car_ic225_performance_statisti

I'm sure that the passengers forced to stand as a result of the shortening will be impressed by the performance improvement.

 

[1D53]

Interesting response:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/7_car_ic225_performance_statisti

It very much feels like a one off sample provided to prove a point!

 

[50039]

Picking up this thread again… LNER ticketing is still booking 16:27 from Newcastle as a 7-car in April.

If the 225s to Newcastle isn’t going to happen - at what point will they update the ticketing app?

 

[D1537]

Picking up this thread again… LNER ticketing is still booking 16:27 from Newcastle as a 7-car in April.

If the 225s to Newcastle isn’t going to happen - at what point will they update the ticketing app?

16:27 on Saturday and Sunday, 18:27 Monday-Friday.

The weekday service (1N09/1Y20) is a 225 in the LNER seat picker from Monday 30 March. Whether that actually means something is another question, though it seems a bit daft to let people reserve seats in coaches D and F which won't exist if it ends up staying an 80x.

 

[43094]

The seat selector is correct for the above...

 

[800001]

The seat selector is correct for the above...

Good to know!

 

[Starmill]

For the benefit of those not familiar with the timetable planning process, could someone summarise what this means in layman's terms?

Even a lot of people who are involved in the process have never heard of the expression 'Velocity timetable'!

 

[Ec91109]

According to a reliable source this will be the first passenger IC225 working to Newcastle since 2020. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Y11897/2026-03-30
From here on this will be the norm.

 

[richardderby]

good to hear that the 225s are coming back to Newcastle next month, look forward to a few journeys...

 

[43094]

First passenger journey since 24/09/20.

There's been a handful up there on testing / turning moves since.

 

[D1537]

First passenger journey since 24/09/20.

There's been a handful up there on testing / turning moves since.

And the one that went to Heaton Open Day last year.

 

[43 302]

There will be a test run on 28/02, but yes that will be the first commercial service train in a few years, whatever 43094 says probably.

 

[800001]

There will be a test run on 28/02, but yes that will be the first commercial service train in a few years, whatever 43094 says probably.

@43094 is correct in what they wrote

 

[43 302]

Realtime Trains | 5Z91 2310 Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D to Newcastle | 27/02/2026

Real-time train running information for 5Z91 2310 departure from Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D to Newcastle on 27/02/2026. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Realtime Trains | 5Z92 0350 Newcastle to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D | 28/02/2026

Real-time train running information for 5Z92 0350 departure from Newcastle to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D on 28/02/2026. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Times in for the test run.

 

[Ec91109]

Full LNER velocity timetable will be in operation from tomorrow! 225s will be running to Newcastle again

 

[D1537]

Full LNER velocity timetable will be in operation from tomorrow! 225s will be running to Newcastle again

Well, one will

 

[yorksrob]

Sadly they'll all be short formed.

 

[D1537]

Buffet chap on the announcements was very excited to announce the first 225 north of York since 2020! Northallerton CIS ditto

 

[mq90]

Any chance they might stretch it to Edinburgh in the future?

 

[Segedunum]

Any chance they might stretch it to Edinburgh in the future?

Certainly not in any plans at the moment.

 

[800001]

Any chance they might stretch it to Edinburgh in the future?

That's would require a full rewrite of the diagrams for LNER, so very very unlikely.

 

[Paul Duck]

Buffet chap on the announcements was very excited to announce the first 225 north of York since 2020! Northallerton CIS ditto

I did that at NTR Great to see and hear this afternoon. Always nice to see people coming out to see something different.