New 225 Diagrams

[yorksrob]

Hi All.

Does anyone have any knowledge of the post December 225 diagrams on the ECML (The 225 group's are still from June this year).

I'm particularly interested in the weekday 20:09 from Kings Cross towards Leeds.

 

[MatthewE707]

I'm particularly interested in the weekday 20:09 from Kings Cross towards Leeds.

RTT suggests this train is pathed as an 80x (but RTT is not necessarily 100% accurate)

 

[yorksrob]

Thanks. I was looking at that, but couldn't find any reference to what type of train it was timed for.

 

[1D53]

Booked 9 car Azuma.

 

[yorksrob]

Ah cheers.

How about the 20:40 out of interest ?

 

[Twingo37175]

Ah cheers.

How about the 20:40 out of interest ?

I would guess also a 9 car azuma as it is booked to come off an Edinburgh service at London

 

[yorksrob]

I would guess also a 9 car azuma as it is booked to come off an Edinburgh service at London

Ah right.

Well, that decides it as there aren't any 225's at a suitable time in that case.

 

[Twingo37175]

Ah right.

Well, that decides it as there aren't any 225's at a suitable time in that case.

Base diagrams are on whatdotheyknow now, looks like 2140 out of the Cross is a 91 (outside of the later York service), with 1740 prior to that.

 

[yorksrob]

Base diagrams are on whatdotheyknow now, looks like 2140 out of the Cross is a 91 (outside of the later York service), with 1740 prior to that.

Cheers for the info !

 

[87electric]

@Class91Joe had posted the diagrams on post 179 of this thread in August this year. I have no idea myself if they are correct.

LNER 225 Shortening/Overnight Testing

There is an OHLE issue around Greensfield which has meant a trip via the bridges isn't possible. Is there? As I’ve literally just seen an 802 there with pantograph raised which would suggest that the OHLE is useable

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[Freightmaster]

@Class91Joe had posted the diagrams on post 179 of this thread in August this year. I have no idea myself if they are correct.

No 91s to Newcastle until next Spring, so I presume that diagram at least will
have to be amended?



MARK

 

[55002]

1A05 0605 LDS-KGX, 1D08 0910 KGX-LDS, 1A20 1240 LDS-KGX, 1D21 1540 KGX-BDQ

1A10 0656 SKI-KGX, 1D12 1110 KGX-LDS, 1A24 1440 LDS-KGX, 1D25 1739 KGX-BDQ

1A02 0500 LDS-KGX, 1D06 0810 KGX-LDS, 1A18 1140 LDS-KGX, 1N09 1433 KGX-NCL, 1Y20 1827 NCL-KGX, 1N35 2308 KGX-YRK (As mentioned above assumption is this one will change in the afternoon)

1Y01 0440 YRK-KGX, 1D05 0739 KGX-BDQ, 1A19 1137 BDQ-KGX, 1D20 1510 KGX-LDS, 1A32 1840 LDS-KGX, 1D34 2140 KGX-LDS

 

[swt_passenger]

No 91s to Newcastle until next Spring, so I presume that diagram at least will
have to be amended?

MARK

I think there was a discussion of this particular service, (the 1433?), last Friday in the main thread here:

LNER 225 Shortening/Overnight Testing

Comparing the timings from December the shorter 225 sets are allowed an additional 2.5 mins running time over the 80x on a northbound Leeds service stopping at Stevenage, Newark, Doncaster and Wakefield.

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[Twingo37175]

1A05 0605 LDS-KGX, 1D08 0910 KGX-LDS, 1A20 1240 LDS-KGX, 1D21 1540 KGX-BDQ

1A10 0656 SKI-KGX, 1D12 1110 KGX-LDS, 1A24 1440 LDS-KGX, 1D25 1739 KGX-BDQ

1A02 0500 LDS-KGX, 1D06 0810 KGX-LDS, 1A18 1140 LDS-KGX, 1N09 1433 KGX-NCL, 1Y20 1827 NCL-KGX, 1N35 2308 KGX-YRK (As mentioned above assumption is this one will change in the afternoon)

1Y01 0440 YRK-KGX, 1D05 0739 KGX-BDQ, 1A19 1137 BDQ-KGX, 1D20 1510 KGX-LDS, 1A32 1840 LDS-KGX, 1D34 2140 KGX-LDS

My bold, this will be done initially as a 9 car Azuma that would originally go to Harrogate (14.40).
Using 17/12/2025 as an example, the 225 set goes to Ferme Park instead

 

[50039]

I’m booked on a Newcastle to KGX service on Saturday 04-Apr which is booking as a 225 on the LNER app

 

[_toommm_]

1A05 0605 LDS-KGX, 1D08 0910 KGX-LDS, 1A20 1240 LDS-KGX, 1D21 1540 KGX-BDQ

1A10 0656 SKI-KGX, 1D12 1110 KGX-LDS, 1A24 1440 LDS-KGX, 1D25 1739 KGX-BDQ

1A02 0500 LDS-KGX, 1D06 0810 KGX-LDS, 1A18 1140 LDS-KGX, 1N09 1433 KGX-NCL, 1Y20 1827 NCL-KGX, 1N35 2308 KGX-YRK (As mentioned above assumption is this one will change in the afternoon)

1Y01 0440 YRK-KGX, 1D05 0739 KGX-BDQ, 1A19 1137 BDQ-KGX, 1D20 1510 KGX-LDS, 1A32 1840 LDS-KGX, 1D34 2140 KGX-LDS

Are they the only diagrams that'll be done with IC225s from the December TT change?

 

[800001]

I’m booked on a Newcastle to KGX service on Saturday 04-Apr which is booking as a 225 on the LNER app

On what time train? To note is that anything on Saturday 4th is not confirmed and is only bookable as part of LNER 'early bird' booking process.

You may receive an email from them if any thing alters (times or traction).

 

[XCTurbostar]

Are they the only diagrams that'll be done with IC225s from the December TT change?

Weekdays Yes, one extra set is an operational spare at Neville Hill

4 Diagrams on Weekdays
5 Diagrams on Saturdays
4 Diagrams on Sundays

 

[_toommm_]

Weekdays Yes, one extra set is an operational spare at Neville Hill

4 Diagrams on Weekdays
5 Diagrams on Saturdays
4 Diagrams on Sundays

Thank you. A shame as I feel like there are more sets out currently, but that might just be me (if you're able to confirm without having to spend time looking?)

 

[Twingo37175]

Thank you. A shame as I feel like there are more sets out currently, but that might just be me (if you're able to confirm without having to spend time looking?)

I think more services come out of the current diagrams. Tend to be 3 return trips to London (per diagrammed set) whereas going forward only 1 set will do that and the other 3 sets will only do 2 return trips (including waiting around 90 minutes in Leeds)

 

[XCTurbostar]

Diagrams are attached. Skip to the last page for those marked 225-7

 

[_toommm_]

I think more services come out of the current diagrams. Tend to be 3 return trips to London (per diagrammed set) whereas going forward only 1 set will do that and the other 3 sets will only do 2 return trips (including waiting around 90 minutes in Leeds)

Thank you

 

[50039]

On what time train? To note is that anything on Saturday 4th is not confirmed and is only bookable as part of LNER 'early bird' booking process.

You may receive an email from them if any thing alters (times or traction).

On what time train? To note is that anything on Saturday 4th is not confirmed and is only bookable as part of LNER 'early bird' booking process.

You may receive an email from them if any thing alters (times or traction).

16:27 1Y18.

Yes, early bird with the notices if possible change etc - and to be fair, I just need a train south on Easter am Saturday so exact time / traction is not the driver - I was just surprised when it booked as a 225 / 7

 

[800001]

16:27 1Y18.

Yes, early bird with the notices if possible change etc - and to be fair, I just need a train south on Easter am Saturday so exact time / traction is not the driver - I was just surprised when it booked as a 225 / 7

That's showing as a 1624 Newcastle to Kings Cross and as an Azuma service in the LNER App.

 

[50039]

That’s weird - I can still see it and book it as 16:27 and 7 coaches - B, C, D, F, H, K, L on 04-Apr

 

[800001]

That’s weird - I can still see it and book it as 16:27 and 7 coaches - B, C, D, F, H, K, L on 04-Apr

Ah I've now seen the 1624 it wasn't showing before. But still showing as an Azuma. Pictures attached from LNER app.

 

[50039]

Ah I've now seen the 1624 it wasn't showing before. But still showing as an Azuma. Pictures attached from LNER app.

That’s really weird - I see this…

 

[800001]

That’s really weird - I see this…

It is wierd as it shows a Azuma for me. Post above I was confusing myself with 1624.

 

[Twingo37175]

Using real time trains, (which I know allocations may yet change) shows the 1627 as coming off a service out of Bradford to London, then to Newcastle and pathed as a 91 (I know again this could change) but is probably then why it is showing the seat map you get. The 1624 is a fast service, ex Edinburgh, and hence a 9 car Azuma

 

[D1537]

1N09/1Y20 (SX) and 1N07/1Y18 (SO) are still showing on RTT as a 91-hauled set from December. However, we know that 1N09/1Y20 will be an 800/1 for the time being - the unit being produced by cancelling 1D19/1A33 Harrogate turn.

I presume something similar will happen on the SO turn.

(1N07/1Y18 is a pair of 801/1s SX, incidentally).