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Miles Platting sidings work
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Joseph_Locke
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Collyhurst Sidings, OLE OTM depot for works on that side of Vic., or so I understand. 
Xenophon PCDGS
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How much, if any, of the trackwork is still in situ that led from the Miles Platting/Collyhust sidings to the top end of what is now left of the New Allen Street viaduct?
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Joseph_Locke
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Miles Platting Junction crossovers and just two sidings, covered in trees.
Ploughman
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If the travellers have been in are you sure that the track is still there?
Have these sidings ever been used since they were relayed back in late 90s? On the diagram its has had "no go" in the signal birth for about the last 4 years so not much use recently!
I presume there was a plan for them at one point otherwise it seems alot of effort for a line that ends in a half demolished viaduct at one end and demolished stone terminal at the other!!
I presume there was a plan for them at one point otherwise it seems alot of effort for a line that ends in a half demolished viaduct at one end and demolished stone terminal at the other!!
Joseph_Locke
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It was retained after an objection from the freight operators on the basis the stone terminal might be brought back into use.
To my knowledge it has never been used by a full train since we finished the ballasting-up in 1997.
I don't know the area that well but would this work prevent easing of Miles Platting curve to anything above 20mph?
Thanks for the Mr Locke. Deltic I doubt any alterations of the curve can occur as its mostly on a high embankment and trains are either coming slowly up the bank or slowing for a yellow or red on the approach to Victoria.
So this depot for the OHLE, is it a just a temporary thing or a proper long term maintenance location, least the sidings will finally see some use.
So this depot for the OHLE, is it a just a temporary thing or a proper long term maintenance location, least the sidings will finally see some use.
Electric trains coming out of Victoria could easily reach 50mph by Miles Platting then have to brake to 20mph. Any easing of this curve would save on energy, brake pads and passenger comfort.
In the other direction trains from Rochdale approach Miles Platting Junction at around 50mph and can brake to a stop at Victoria so an eased curve below this speed should cause no problems.
The curve from the Victoria direction to the Stalybridge direction passes on bridges over two main roads, Oldham Road A62 and Queens Road A6010, close to their junction. I imagine that any significant easing would require new bridges over both roads, on the inside of the curve relative to the present bridges, and possibly property demolition too.
Miles Platting curve is 30mph each way, the Up & Down Ashton lines were realigned in 1998 when the whole Vic East Jn - Miles Platting - Thorpes Bridge Jn area was remodelled. There is no need to brake for the PSR, the gradient is 1-in-47 so a decent driver can use gravity to good effect.
As far as the Arrival and Departure line is concerned, it has been clipped and scotched out of use since at least 2004, only really being used for on- and off-tracking of OTP.
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Just shows long it has been since the loco hauled services used this route and the last time I was this way.
Wasn't £20m spent at Stalybridge to raise speed limit by only 10mph? Looking on Google earth there appears to be nothing on the inside of the curve to prevent easing out to 40 or even 50mph. New bridges over A roads would only cost a £million each. Besides I thought there was £4billion available to speed up the trans Pennine route?
A few decades ago, perhaps. I'd have thought about £15M each now. Anyone have recent figures? Both would have to be skew bridges over dual carriageways.
Who's to say that that will be on this route? We need to wait to see what they come up with for the so-called HS3.
The Stalybridge work was to completely remodel both junctions to allow parallel moves, provide a new bay platform on the north side to stop movements to/from Ashton on the Stalybridge terminating services conflicting with anything coming from Guide Bridge, fully resignal and re-interlock with control transferred to Manchester East SCC (the late Stalybridge SB was a mechanical box), create a bi-directional platform for more flexibility and use the space occupied by the Up & Down Goods lines to create a new platform face on the south side. Oh and the line speed on the Up and Down lines was raised by 10mph, as was the line speed over Stalybridge Jn to and from the Ashton lines. The resignalling stretched as far as Mossley on the Up line.
edwin_m
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Looking at it, conceivably the old 4-track bridge over Oldham Road might be replaced with a 2-track bridge using the same abutments but slightly more skewed. But a new bridge over Queens Road would be needed, together with taking the land occupied by said sidings and moving the crossovers towards Victoria - which probably takes them onto a curve.
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