Merseyrail legacy fleet updates (Class 507/508)

[Green tractor]

Probably common knowledge by now but 507001 working 2U39 15:12 Southport - Hunts Cross

Just observed heading back as 2S42 1621 Hunts Cross to Southport

 

[childwallblues]

I was on 1506 SDL-HNX (507011) and passed 508104 at Brunswick.
507029 and 507023 were on New Brightons were 507031 was stabled.
507013/15/18/11 were seen on SOP-HNX services.

 

[CallmeDave]

05.01.23. As below. Things may change etc note the gap in 104s workings

508104 SOP-HNX 0827 1057 1327 1557(6) 2242 (6)
HNX-SOP 0936 1206 1436 1706 (6) 1936 2206

507001 SOP HNX 0757(6) 1027 1257 1527 1757 2027 2257 (6)
HNX-SOP 0906(6) 1136 1406 1636 1906 2136

ŴKI is totally new & yellow.
NBN is better, all 507 except xx23 each hour.
032 is on 0831 CTR-CTR and at 90 min intervals to 2200.

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05.01.23. As below. Things may change etc note the gap in 104s workings

508104 SOP-HNX 0827 1057 1327 1557(6) 2242 (6)
HNX-SOP 0936 1206 1436 1706 (6) 1936 2206

507001 SOP HNX 0757(6) 1027 1257 1527 1757 2027 2257 (6)
HNX-SOP 0906(6) 1136 1406 1636 1906 2136

ŴKI is totally new & yellow.
NBN is better, all 507 except xx23 each hour.
032 is on 0831 CTR-CTR and at 90 min intervals to 2200.

Corrected 508104. Apologies.
508104 SOP-HNX 0827 1057 1327 1557(6) 2242 (6)
HNX-SOP 0936 1206 1436 1706 (6)

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Latest 508104
HNX 1436 1721(6 with 015) 1951 2221
SOP 1612(6) 1842 2112

6 cars showing as
1542 001 014
1557 002 017
1612. 104 015.

 

[prod_pep]

Many thanks for today's report CallmeDave. I was hoping for 507001 and 002 together and your gen has saved me the cost of a day ticket and the ensuing disappointment.

Wouldn't it be nice if on 508104's last day they recognise it in a small way, say with 'farewell 508' notices in the cabs like Southeastern did with their 508s? They won't last as long as the 507s, but 44 years is an impressive lifespan.

 

[Green tractor]

I've just viewed the 1757 southport to Hunts Cross, and it's 507018, so 001 has gone AWOL somewhere.

Edit, reported on the Merseyrail Faceache page it's stabled at Southport.

 

[MR-507508]

Anyone know if 1827 Southport to Hunts Cross is a 6 car (507002 & 507017)?

 

[507001]

Many thanks for today's report CallmeDave. I was hoping for 507001 and 002 together and your gen has saved me the cost of a day ticket and the ensuing disappointment.

Wouldn't it be nice if on 508104's last day they recognise it in a small way, say with 'farewell 508' notices in the cabs like Southeastern did with their 508s? They won't last as long as the 507s, but 44 years is an impressive lifespan.

There appeared to be another 507 stabled next to 507020 at Southport around 1600hrs tonight.

 

[CallmeDave]

Many thanks for today's report CallmeDave. I was hoping for 507001 and 002 together and your gen has saved me the cost of a day ticket and the ensuing disappointment.

Wouldn't it be nice if on 508104's last day they recognise it in a small way, say with 'farewell 508' notices in the cabs like Southeastern did with their 508s? They won't last as long as the 507s, but 44 years is an impressive lifespan.

Thanks for that you're very welcome. Though it does seem shortly after posting stuff things always change. It would be great if 104 could be celebrated in some way. Perhaps part of an all day 6 car.

 

[MR-507508]

The following path has appeared from Birkenhead North E.M.U.D. on Monday 8th January, to Crewe South Yard.
No path for arrival of the loco yet....

Realtime Trains | 5Q78 0611 Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to Crewe South Yard | 08/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q78 0611 departure from Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to Crewe South Yard on 08/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Mojo]

05.01.23. As below. Things may change etc note the gap in 104s workings

508104 SOP-HNX 0827 1057 1327 1557(6) 2242 (6)
HNX-SOP 0936 1206 1436 1706 (6) 1936 2206

507001 SOP HNX 0757(6) 1027 1257 1527 1757 2027 2257 (6)
HNX-SOP 0906(6) 1136 1406 1636 1906 2136

ŴKI is totally new & yellow.
NBN is better, all 507 except xx23 each hour.
032 is on 0831 CTR-CTR and at 90 min intervals to 2200.

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Corrected 508104. Apologies.
508104 SOP-HNX 0827 1057 1327 1557(6) 2242 (6)
HNX-SOP 0936 1206 1436 1706 (6)

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Latest 508104
HNX 1436 1721(6 with 015) 1951 2221
SOP 1612(6) 1842 2112

6 cars showing as
1542 001 014
1557 002 017
1612. 104 015.

Can you please explain what all these abbreviations/codes mean? Please edit your post to make it clear as it makes it hard for some to understand what you are talking about.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Merseyrail customers would prefer trains which actually work properly and can be relied upon.

Indeed, don’t most people just charge their phones overnight at home?

 

[Grumpy Git]

Ive just boarded the 08.12 departure to Southport at Cressington and it's 507 001.

 

[childwallblues]

Can you please explain what all these abbreviations/codes mean? Please edit your post to make it clear as it makes it hard for some to understand what you are talking about.

These are Network Rails three letter station codes ie SOP Southport, HNX Hunts Cross, HBL Headbolt Lane. They are available on RTT. I visited a new station on Thursday, Buckley so RTT told me that it was BCK. As simple as that.

 

[prod_pep]

Out on the early shift this morning. 507001 is on the Southport line for anyone after it. So far, it has done the 0559 Sandhills - Southport followed by the 0657 Southport - Hunts Cross and currently the 0806 return.

Last 508 standing, 508104, took the first service from Southport at 0538 followed by the 0651 return from Hunts X.

Starting with the 0538 from Southport, today's line-up on the big route is: 508104, 507015, 507016, 507011, 507013, 507001, 507018, 507014, 507017, 507007.

507002 (Liverpool end) and 507021 formed the 5T60 Southport - Kirkdale empties earlier. Presumably these two are destined for repair at Birkenhead.

507020 has finally vacated Southport sidings so hopefully back in service imminently. In its place at the back today was 507028 (I think unfit for service), with spare 507033 also present.

507032 is on the Ellesmere Port route again, currently forming the 1042 E. Port - Liverpool - E. Port.

 

[Cowley]

These are Network Rails three letter station codes ie SOP Southport, HNX Hunts Cross, HBL Headbolt Lane. They are available on RTT. I visited a new station on Thursday, Buckley so RTT told me that it was BCK. As simple as that.

Erm no, which is why we say this in our forum rules:

• Please remember, many members do not understand “jargon” (including acronyms, codes and specialist terms). Such terms should be correctly defined the first time they are used in a thread; codes and abbreviations must not be made up.

I don’t personally know what all the codes are and I don’t want to look them up just to access some information. Clearly other people feel the same way or they wouldn’t be asking us deal with this kind of thing. The above rule was made for good reasons and the rules are also run by the membership periodically.

And that, is as simple as that.

 

[CallmeDave]

Erm no, which is why we say this in our forum rules:

• Please remember, many members do not understand “jargon” (including acronyms, codes and specialist terms). Such terms should be correctly defined the first time they are used in a thread; codes and abbreviations must not be made up.

I don’t personally know what all the codes are and I don’t want to look them up just to access some information. Clearly other people feel the same way or they wouldn’t be asking us deal with this kind of thing. The above rule was made for good reasons and the rules are also run by the membership periodically.

And that, is as simple as that.

If it helps they are CRS codes used for seat reservation systems. They are usually easier to work out as the include letters from station name.
For Mersey Rail
SOP Southport. HNX Hunts X. WKI West Kirby. NBN New Brighton. LVC Liverpool Central. ELP Elsemere Port. CTR Chester.

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Out on the early shift this morning. 507001 is on the Southport line for anyone after it. So far, it has done the 0559 Sandhills - Southport followed by the 0657 Southport - Hunts Cross and currently the 0806 return.

Last 508 standing, 508104, took the first service from Southport at 0538 followed by the 0651 return from Hunts X.

Starting with the 0538 from Southport, today's line-up on the big route is: 508104, 507015, 507016, 507011, 507013, 507001, 507018, 507014, 507017, 507007.

507002 (Liverpool end) and 507021 formed the 5T60 Southport - Kirkdale empties earlier. Presumably these two are destined for repair at Birkenhead.

507032 is on the Ellesmere Port route again, currently forming the 1042 E. Port - Liverpool - E. Port.

Thanks for gen prod pep..really helps todays journey. If it goes to plan (and it often doesn't. ). 104 should do.
Southport departures 1142 1412 1642 1942 2212
Hunts X departures 1021 1251 1521 1751 2051 2321

 

[prod_pep]

Thanks for gen prod pep..really helps todays journey. If it goes to plan (and it often doesn't. ). 104 should do.
Southport departures 1142 1412 1642 1942 2212
Hunts X departures 1021 1251 1521 1751 2051 2321

Pleasure. I'll update my earlier post if anything else interesting crops up.

Caption boards are claiming the 1130 from Central to Chester is a three-car but that's far from a confirmation! Edit: nope, it's a 777.

 

[The exile]

508 104 just arrived at Southport, due out again at 13.12.

 

[MR-507508]

Pleasure. I'll update my earlier post if anything else interesting crops up.

Caption boards are claiming the 1130 from Central to Chester is a three-car but that's far from a confirmation! Edit: nope, it's a 777.

Any sign of what units are stabled at New Brighton?

 

[prod_pep]

Any sign of what units are stabled at New Brighton?

507004 and 507031 in siding 1, plus 507002 and 507021 in the wallside siding.

Also, 507023 is now languishing in siding 2 complete with a fitter trying to sort its door problem. It broke down earlier on whilst working the New Brighton line (.53 departures). The other service 507s on this line are 507010 (.38 departures) and 507029 (.08).

 

[CallmeDave]

If it helps they are CRS codes used for seat reservation systems. They are usually easier to work out as the include letters from station name.
For Mersey Rail
SOP Southport. HNX Hunts X. WKI West Kirby. NBN New Brighton. LVC Liverpool Central. ELP Elsemere Port. CTR Chester.

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Thanks for gen prod pep..really helps todays journey. If it goes to plan (and it often doesn't. ). 104 should do.
Southport departures 1142 1412 1642 1942 2212
Hunts X departures 1021 1251 1521

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Latest on 104
1651 H Cross SOP then sits till 2042 dep Southport( sometimes lifted up) if stays to diagram returns 2151 off Hunts Cross.

 

[prod_pep]

Eventful day today. 507033, seemingly the only spare 507/8, has been drafted in as 507023's New Brighton line replacement, currently doing the 1753 circuit. 033 moved to the Wirral from Southport as 5T65 this afternoon.

They're well short now and perilously close to having to drop service for lack of stock. What an inspired decision to retire two perfectly serviceable sets this week with up to eight 507s out.

RTT and Traksy both have 104 down for the 1842 to Hunts X next. They do love a good old tinker at Southport. Edit: in fact 507016 is on this, so as you were with 104 doing the 2042 ECS Southport - Sandhills.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Eventful day today. 507033, seemingly the only spare 507/8, has been drafted in as 507023's New Brighton line replacement, currently doing the 1753 circuit. 033 moved to the Wirral from Southport as 5T65 this afternoon.

They're well short now and perilously close to having to drop service for lack of stock. What an inspired decision to retire two perfectly serviceable sets this week with up to eight 507s out.

What’s stopping 777 allocations being ramped up on Southports? Isn’t there still only one?

 

[MR-507508]

Eventful day today. 507033, seemingly the only spare 507/8, has been drafted in as 507023's New Brighton line replacement, currently doing the 1753 circuit. 033 moved to the Wirral from Southport as 5T65 this afternoon.

They're well short now and perilously close to having to drop service for lack of stock. What an inspired decision to retire two perfectly serviceable sets this week with up to eight 507s out.

No sign of 507003?
It was looking hopeful a few weeks back that this maybe returning soon, however it seems to have gone quiet on the 507003 front - has anyone spotted it out or stabled outside the depot recently?

Thanks very much for your sightings and reports today, very useful!!

 

[prod_pep]

What’s stopping 777 allocations being ramped up on Southports? Isn’t there still only one?

Likely crew training for one thing. One 777 on weekdays but none at weekends so far.

 

[MR-507508]

What’s stopping 777 allocations being ramped up on Southports? Isn’t there still only one?

Yes one 777 operating weekdays on the Southport - Hunts Cross line.
Probably driver training and I believe platform 1 at Southport will be restricted (or even closed) for some work soon.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Likely crew training for one thing. One 777 on weekdays but none at weekends so far.

Ahh, okay thanks. Quite an outlier, that route, not only for having the only double 50x but the only one where 777s are not quite considerably the majority.

 

[jamesst]

Ahh, okay thanks. Quite an outlier, that route, not only for having the only double 50x but the only one where 777s are not quite considerably the majority.

The New Brighton line is due to go over to fully 777 in February and more 777 diagrams on the Southport line at a similar time.

 

[The exile]

They're well short now and perilously close to having to drop service for lack of stock

Unless the half hour gap in the Southports every other hour is intentional or was caused by something else, wasn’t exactly that already happening today?

 

[1D53]

Also, 507023 is now languishing in siding 2 complete with a fitter trying to sort its door problem. It broke down earlier on whilst working the New Brighton line (.53 departures). The other service 507s on this line are 507010 (.38 departures) and 507029 (.08).

It failed at Moorfields and 'stopped play' for me trying to pick some last bits of 507s up! I did manage 507001 & 508104 though for decent runs so not all bad news.