Merseyrail legacy fleet updates (Class 507/508)

[Wezz]

Both 507024 & 507025 have now officially been stood down

 

[Sam 76]

Both units have now officially been stood down

Honestly so sad 025 was doing so well when I was on her last week

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Honestly so sad 025 was doing so well when I was on her last week

Obviously it's easy to say from the outside, but because the limiting factor is miles between overhauls it does mean that the more reliable units will rack up the miles quicker. This was an issue with some of the ex-BR diesels in EWS days, the more reliable locos would end up running out of engine hours quicker, leaving only the "lemons" available.

 

[Pacef8]

Question ? At what point do they get parts ripped out if they are already off to sims ?

 

[childwallblues]

507024 & 507025 have just passed Birkenhead North coupled together

Back in 2011/12 there were 59 x 507/508 units in service and I decided to ride in all 177 carriages on single journeys without moving up or down the train. The project proved challenging but was made easier by using Moorfields and Sandhills stations as they both have cross platform facilties. I completed the project by the end of 2013 except for one unit 507019 which took me until 2017 to get.
I rode 507024 on eight occasions and 507025 on nine. Both were first ridden in 1985. The Northern Line is about five miles from my house, and I live close to Broad Green Station so nearly all journeys to the line would be by car.

 

[Wezz]

Question ? At what point do they get parts ripped out if they are already off to sims ?

They aren't being taken to Sims until Sunday, so the Stadler guys will remove the useful parts so they have them available when other units need them, then the units will be dragged to Sims on Sunday.

 

[prod_pep]

Obviously it's easy to say from the outside, but because the limiting factor is miles between overhauls it does mean that the more reliable units will rack up the miles quicker. This was an issue with some of the ex-BR diesels in EWS days, the more reliable locos would end up running out of engine hours quicker, leaving only the "lemons" available.

Yes, indeed. There is definitely an element of this with Merseyrail units as well as units have moved up and down the overhaul cycle.

It would be interesting to know how many more 507s are planned to be overhauled if anyone is aware. It can't be many more, surely?

 

[Razorblades]

Back in 2011/12 there were 59 x 507/508 units in service and I decided to ride in all 177 carriages on single journeys without moving up or down the train. The project proved challenging but was made easier by using Moorfields and Sandhills stations as they both have cross platform facilties. I completed the project by the end of 2013 except for one unit 507019 which took me until 2017 to get.
I rode 507024 on eight occasions and 507025 on nine. Both were first ridden in 1985. The Northern Line is about five miles from my house, and I live close to Broad Green Station so nearly all journeys to the line would be by car.

Wow. Incredible, and oddly reassuring. Fair play for sharing.

 

[LRV3004]

Back in 2011/12 there were 59 x 507/508 units in service and I decided to ride in all 177 carriages on single journeys without moving up or down the train. The project proved challenging but was made easier by using Moorfields and Sandhills stations as they both have cross platform facilties. I completed the project by the end of 2013 except for one unit 507019 which took me until 2017 to get.
I rode 507024 on eight occasions and 507025 on nine. Both were first ridden in 1985. The Northern Line is about five miles from my house, and I live close to Broad Green Station so nearly all journeys to the line would be by car.

That's some going that - and also dedication! First time I've heard of anyone trying to ride every single carriage in each unit, well done!!!

 

[Rhinojerry]

507024 & 507025 have just passed Birkenhead North coupled together

It may be my age but am pretty sure 025 was out today.

 

[childwallblues]

That's some going that - and also dedication! First time I've heard of anyone trying to ride every single carriage in each unit, well done!!!

Well I did it without the benefit of RTT.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

It may be my age but am pretty sure 025 was out today.

They were stood down Tuesday evening as posted above.

 

[LRV3004]

Well I did it without the benefit of RTT.

Which makes it all the more impressive!!! I’d love to see the unit allocations for Merseyrail on RTT, but that in turn then takes some of the fun out of looking for those particular units you’re after!!!

 

[DJH1971]

Has the grim reaper 37 been parked yet for Sunday?

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Has the grim reaper 37 been parked yet for Sunday?

I have heard a rumour that it may be 37611 in new livery this time however I don't know if that is true or not.

 

[kevstevens93]

Has anyone got any pictures of any of the units in simms yet?

 

[DJH1971]

Has anyone got any pictures of any of the units in simms yet?507-24 & 50725

Has anyone got any pictures of any of the units in simms yet?

They're not due to go until Sunday

 

[142 007]

Unusually the 507/508s have had two failures the last few days causing a lot of disruption,
On Wednesday afternoon a 507 failed at Eastham Rake
While on Thursday evening there was a failure at Formby.

 

[Liverpool 507]

Unusually the 507/508s have had two failures the last few days causing a lot of disruption,
On Wednesday afternoon a 507 failed at Eastham Rake
While on Thursday evening there was a failure at Formby.

507029 failed at Eastham Rake, 507014 at Formby

 

[3973EXL]

Realtime Trains | 0N38 1707 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D | 23/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 0N38 1707 departure from Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D on 23/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 5Q78 2255 Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) | 23/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q78 2255 departure from Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) on 23/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[DJH1971]

Realtime Trains | 0N38 1707 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D | 23/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 0N38 1707 departure from Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D on 23/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 5Q78 2255 Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) | 23/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q78 2255 departure from Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) on 23/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Has the loco been confirmed for the journey yet?

 

[L401CJF]

Nowed 507007 today on Chesters, freshly overhauled with shiney cab ends and shiny bogies/shoe gear etc

 

[samrammstein]

According to Railcam it's 37800 on 0N38 to North depot this evening.

 

[Wezz]

507024 & 507025 have now departed our network.

 

[samrammstein]

507024 and 025 departing Merseyside for the final time last night.

Looks like the blue interlock lights above the doors were still working.

 

[Merseyrailfan]

It seems 507s/508s are now being withdrawn faster, I say give it 12-15 months before the whole fleet is gone. I suppose the plans for keeping 14 507s in short term has been scrapped due to delays of getting 777s into service, although it depends if the platforms on Southport line are widened to accommodate 8 car 777s. 507s/508s are now over 40 years old, and sadly It’s a necessary evil that they have to go. Let’s hope one full seat ideally or at least one or two coaches of unit(maybe 507001 or 507002) get preserved. Mind you Merseyrail are going relatively slow speed withdrawing 507s and 508s unlike Great Northern which quite rapidly got rid of 313s? Don’t expect anymore stay of executions now.

 

[Sam 76]

It seems 507s/508s are now being withdrawn faster, I say give it 12-15 months before the whole fleet is gone. I suppose the plans for keeping 14 507s in short term has been scrapped due to delays of getting 777s into service, although it depends if the platforms on Southport line are widened to accommodate 8 car 777s. 507s/508s are now over 40 years old, and sadly It’s a necessary evil that they have to go. Let’s hope one full seat ideally or at least one or two coaches of unit(maybe 507001 or 507002) get preserved. Mind you Merseyrail are going relatively slow speed withdrawing 507s and 508s unlike Great Northern which quite rapidly got rid of 313s? Don’t expect anymore stay of executions now.

I think eventually there will be a 1 in 1 out system. Given any new units needs to fault free testing it may well be slower than currently appears

 

[Jamesrob637]

It seems 507s/508s are now being withdrawn faster, I say give it 12-15 months before the whole fleet is gone. I suppose the plans for keeping 14 507s in short term has been scrapped due to delays of getting 777s into service, although it depends if the platforms on Southport line are widened to accommodate 8 car 777s. 507s/508s are now over 40 years old, and sadly It’s a necessary evil that they have to go. Let’s hope one full seat ideally or at least one or two coaches of unit(maybe 507001 or 507002) get preserved. Mind you Merseyrail are going relatively slow speed withdrawing 507s and 508s unlike Great Northern which quite rapidly got rid of 313s? Don’t expect anymore stay of executions now.

Best to keep a few too many for now given faults on the new trains.

 

[Vespa]

The unavoidable fact is the older these trains get parts gets worn out with no new replacement off the shelf part, gradually breakdown will increase.

I'm amazed that the class 483 on the Isle of Wight still kept going as long as it did, there were frequent cancellations toward the end before it got replaced by Class 484 as the kept breaking down as it's more suitable for sympathetic museum service than intensive public service runs, something the 507/8 is at risk of doing at 50 or 60 years of age.

 

[MR-507508]

Quite a rare sight today on the Wirral line, all diagrams operated by 6 cars.
Could this be the last time this happens for the 507/508 fleet - possibly next Saturday, although with the 20min frequency across the network not all diagrams maybe 6 cars.