Neither fact has any relevance to this journey IMO.
Yes it is perfectly relevant, I have therein presented the reasoning as to what ticket type we are talking about, and how the price reflects its lack of flexiblity, this does relate to the OP.
The OP has not asked to do either of these things, so I see these issues as beyond the scope of this topic.
Disagree, the OP wished to alight at CLJ, therefore invalidating their Megatrain ticket, fact.
I have read the
terms, but cannot see the term "there is no leeway for alighting short of the destination", can you tell me where it says that? I understand BOJ is not permitted, but I've already explained above that the OP will not be doing any action that is necessary for a BOJ to have taken place until Feltham. Is there a term I have missed?
Nowhere did I state that I mentioned the literal terms used in the Megatrain T&C's, you seem to be confusing yourself there. I understand the principles of BOJ and how it applies to this situation.
The OP doesn't want a BOJ, as defined by the rail industry.
Great, something we can both agree on
You can word it how you like but the basic fact of saying that someone should be forced to double-back between Clapham Jn and Waterloo is absurd. Wording it differently to dress up this absurdity to suit the argument can be done, but doesn't change the basic fact that most people would consider it unreasonable to insist that someone doubles back. Of course some people disagree, but they're in the minority and subject to ridicule by programs like The One Show. At the end of the day what matters is that Megatrain have already backed down and allowed someone to finish their journey at Clapham Jn according to reports, the OP isn't even finishing his journey at Clapham Jn anyway, but if he was, the precedent is there. That precedent may upset some people at SWT, but so be it.
No, it is not absurd, it is following the terms of the ticket. Common sense doesn't apply here as you do have to pay more for convenience. The doubling back IS required because of the two different tickets held, if the passenger decides to break the Megatrain terms then that portion of the journey is invalidated and they are liable to pay the whole single fare again.
How I read the article was that the person alighting at CLJ were not allowed exit there, until they had already been "fined", and that fine's appeal was rejected, so I can't see how Megatrain or SWT backed down. Therefore if there's any precedent, it will be the precendent of being "fined" for breaking Megatrain terms.
As I explained earlier, a PF is not the correct action and it is an abuse of PF legislation to issue a PF. Also as I explained earlier, the appeal was successful in the Eastleigh case. Not sure what exactly happened at CLJ but it certainly sounds like SWT had to admit defeat.
Sure, but that doesn't conclude that breaking the Megatrain terms to suit the passenger is permitted, even without PF in the equasion, the full single fare is still payable in such a situation.
They did not, and SWT staff acting incorrectly does happen from time to time. Some members of this forum have been told by SWT staff that the Routeing Guide does not exist. Training on ticketing is inadequate and enforcement of staff adhering to rules is not adequate, in my opinion.
All TOC's have staff acting incorrectly from time to time, not just SWT. Whichever rumours about staff on this forum are heard, they hold no weight as actual evidence.
I agree with the second part, however this sways from the topic, you told me some of my post was not relevant to the OP, can I therefore suggest that this bit isn't either?
If TOCs want negative publicity, then they can carry on acting inappropriately, like SWT did in the case of Eastleigh and Clapham Jn. If they do not want negative publicity, then they need to apply the rules correctly and/or apply common sense, as appropriate. (sometimes the two are one and the same, sometimes they are not, but if they think carefully they can make the right decision and avoid bad press)
How is it acting inappropriately, to make the passenger pay more for breaking the terms of their ticket? Maybe the PF was inappropriate, but surely you agree that an excess would have been appropriate to the situation.
Common sense cannot be applied, I said this earlier. The Megatrain ticket is totally inflexible, the terms must be followed to make it valid on the journey. Alighting early has rightly been penalised on Megatrain tickets, otherwise there might be an increase in passengers using Megatrain tickets incorrectly, abusing their terms and whitholding revenue from TOC's when they should have purchased more flexible tickets for their itinary.
Well, I disagree, but as I said earlier, if the OP pays for:
- Salisbury to Waterloo; and
- Waterloo to Feltham
tickets, then there is absolutely no argument that the OP has paid the "correct fare" and the only issue then is whether the OP is forced to double-back or not. Given that the TOCs generally prefer customers to not double-back, and given that the OP has paid the same fare as if he did double back, then I would say that this combination is even more watertight than the, admittedly debatable question of the second ticket starting at Clapham Jn.
I completely agree with all that you have said in this part, this seems like the reasonable thing to do.
If the OP was really worried, he could show both the Megatrain ticket to London and the London to Feltham ticket, and ask the guard for advice on changing trains to get to Feltham. If the OP does this, and the guard doesn't suggest changing at Clapham Jn, then I will be shocked.
Again, sound advice. However bare in mind that the Guard will probably be a commercial one, and therefore will have good knowledge of Megatrain terms, so I would be shocked if he recommended breaking the Megatrain terms by alighting at CLJ
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You didn't specify yellow or pink nor how current the information is. But thank you.
I did specify Yellow if you look back at my post, the information is current to a few days ago, seeing as I work around there
Going back to BOJ.... We all know that alighting at a station to change trains doesn't constitute a break of journey...but this is a ticket that doesn't need to change trains....
Exactly, the Megatrain part of the journey is direct to Waterloo, the change at Clapham Junction is only to suit the OP and save them money!
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I don't agree. Together they do indeed cover the entire Salisbury - Clapham Jn - Feltham journey. The fact that they cover an extra bit as well does not negate that fact.
Incorrect, remember that if the passenger alights at Clapham Jn, they invalidate their Megatrain ticket because of breaking the terms of it. The Megatrain ticket is to Waterloo, therefore the combined ticket that the OP should hold, should be a Waterloo to Feltham ticket.
No. The stations are:Clapham Jn - Queenstown Road - Vauxhall - London Waterloo
This is not relevant to the OP, who would be on a fast Class 159 service from Salisbury to Waterloo, which does indeed go direct from CLJ to WAT. The stations inbetween are only served by slower stopping services.
