Major Projects that Need Doing

[djw1981]

2) Fast and slow up & down lines between Euston and Weaver Junction. This doesn't need so much work - mostly between Rugby and Stafford.

I thought that following TV4, there was only Hillmorton as 3track?

 

[The Planner]

2) Fast and slow up & down lines between Euston and Weaver Junction. This doesn't need so much work - mostly between Rugby and Stafford.

Only 3 track section left is from just north of Rugby to just south of Nuneaton.

3) Installing flyovers or dive-unders at MAJOR junctions, such as Hitchin, Newark Crossing, Doncaster Marshgate, Colwich Junction, Westerleigh, Stoke Gifford. The list is almost endless.

Newark is incredibly difficult to do because of the lie of the land. Hitchin starts soon, cant see the point of Westerleigh. Stoke Gifford wont need it so much when P4 comes in at Parkway. Colwich isnt so bad. Norton Bridge and Whitehouses need doing before that as the Stafford bypass isnt worth the cash.

I'd like to see the New Street - Moseley - Kings Norton upgraded and have regular XC (and local) services run along it. It'll save time reversing Wolverhampton - Cheltenham services.

Quite a few XC services do the Camp Hills already and there is a project about re-opening stations down there.

Also, I think it's feasible to open (re-open?) a line from Derby through Lichfield and Walsall to the North-West entrance of New Street. Again, it's to obviate reversing Derby - Birmingham - Coventry XC services.

The track bed is protected and a study is also being done about re-opening, along with Stourbridge - Bescot.

As a sort-of side issue, I'd like the ENTIRE Passenger TimeTable converted to Clock face. I reckon it could be done, but I'm denied the mechanism to (dis)prove it.

Define clock face, if you want stuff leaving at xx.00, xx.15 etc.... then its very difficult, if you are prepared to accept xx.06, xx.36, xx.06, then its easier.

 

[43106]

Define clock face. If you want stuff leaving at xx.00, xx.15 etc.... then its very difficult. If you are prepared to accept xx.06, xx.36, xx.06, then its easier.

Spot on that man! Clockface DOES mean XX.07, XX.37. It isn't simply confined to convenient minutes past the hour, but to regular & consistant minutes past the hour. Nice, round figures past the hour are almost the norm for departures from a terminus. Look at departure times for trains from Kings Cross to Newcastle (00 & 30 past the hour), Edinburgh to Kings Cross (00 and some 30 past the hour), Paddington to Cardiff (15 & 45 past the hour) and Paddington to Bristol TM (00 & 30 past the hours). There are others.

43106 - the Ivatt 4MT, NOT the HST Power Car!

 

[furryfeet]

WCML is double track hartford to weaver junction
including the weaver viaduct !

hence will not be cheap, or easy to add more tracks to this section !

on the ECML, there was talk by Railtrack of making huntingdon to holme 4 track again, and 4 tracking peterborough to yaxley, presumably in conjunction with resignalling peterborough.
Is this now on the back burner, or has it been dropped altogether ?

 

[43106]

A number of points raised that I'd like to comment on

1) As Planner said, it's 3 track from Trent Valley Junction to about a mile and a half south of Nuneaton (Attleborough Junction), but according to my Quail map, it's 4-track from there to immediately north of Tamworth, then double track to Armitage Junction (with loops for Lichfield TV) when it opens out to 4-track until Colwich Junction. Then it's 2-track from here through Shugborough Tunnel, then opens to 3-track (Milford Junc) then 4-track (Whitehouse Junc). It's 4-track from there, through Stafford and (debatably) Crewe until Winsford South. It's 2 track to Weaver Junction, with the exception of an up slow loop between Acton Bridge and Hartford Junction. I'd still want ALL of this line upgraded to 4 track.

2) I totally agree with doing something at Norton Bridge - it's a bit of a mess. I'd also like to see the radius of curvature of the line off to Stone increased as it looks murderously tight!

3) Again, Planner is spot on re Newark - it's the close proximity of the River Trent that seriously screws things up. However, it's the last remaining crossover on a main line, and it should be eradicated. My suggestion is a bridge over the ECML - I think it can be done - just! However, the connection to the ECML will have to move further away from Newark Crossing.

4) So, Hitchen is going to get its junction by-passed. How's it being done - a flyover over the existing tracks, or a tunnel UNDER them?

5) Ah-ha, so it IS called the Camp Hill line! I'd heard that XC sometimes used this line, but on an unscheduled basis only. Can I assume that it is now officially on the XC network?

 

[The Planner]

A number of points raised that I'd like to comment on

1) As Planner said, it's 3 track from Trent Valley Junction to about a mile and a half south of Nuneaton (Attleborough Junction), but according to my Quail map, it's 4-track from there to immediately north of Tamworth, then double track to Armitage Junction (with loops for Lichfield TV) when it opens out to 4-track until Colwich Junction. Then it's 2-track from here through Shugborough Tunnel, then opens to 3-track (Milford Junc) then 4-track (Whitehouse Junc). It's 4-track from there, through Stafford and (debatably) Crewe until Winsford South. It's 2 track to Weaver Junction, with the exception of an up slow loop between Acton Bridge and Hartford Junction. I'd still want ALL of this line upgraded to 4 track.

Quail is out of date (and full of little mistakes elsewhere...) Its 4 track all the way from Attleborough South to Colwich now. Colwich to Milford isnt congested so doesnt need it. Its debatable if it needs it north of Winsford at the current time.

4) So, Hitchen is going to get its junction by-passed. How's it being done - a flyover over the existing tracks, or a tunnel UNDER them?

Flyover, and it increases journey times due to its gradient. It was a toss up over paths and that, paths won by a country mile.

5) Ah-ha, so it IS called the Camp Hill line! I'd heard that XC sometimes used this line, but on an unscheduled basis only. Can I assume that it is now officially on the XC network?

Plenty routed along there in the WTT since May this year, just as much from December. Its pretty much impossible to avoid ending up behind a Cross City from Kings Norton to BNS.

 

[43106]

Quail is out of date (and full of little mistakes elsewhere...) Its 4 track all the way from Attleborough South to Colwich now. Colwich to Milford isnt congested so doesnt need it. Its debatable if it needs it north of Winsford at the current time.

Yes, I was afraid of that. I've had Quails for some time, but I bought a couple of new ones (LMR & ScR) in May, which is where I quoted the info from. Mind you, the data did date from 2005!

Flyover, and it increases journey times due to its gradient. It was a toss up over paths and that, paths won by a country mile.

I don't suppose it would have mattered if it was tunnel or flyover, there would have been a bit of extra time added. However, it's uphill one way and downhill on the other side, so I doubt there'll be much delay.

Plenty routed along there in the WTT since May this year, just as much from December.

By the sound of it, you're one of those lucky so-and-so's that has access to a WTT. If I had access, I, too, would have known - that's a hint by the way!

 

[Spaceflower]

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[The Planner]

By the sound of it, you're one of those lucky so-and-so's that has access to a WTT. If I had access, I, too, would have known - that's a hint by the way!

Access ?? Im one of the "lucky" 300 odd people that create the bloody thing....and no, you cant have one.