LM 350/3 discussion (was Construction Progress)

[craig87034]

Todays Workings

350368

1W14 1350 Northampton-Euston
1W19 1549 Euston-Northampton

350369

1N78 0618 Northampton-Euston
2T15 0734 Euston-Tring
2T42 0826 Tring-Euston
2N09 0954 Euston-Northampton
2Y16 1706 Northampton-Euston
2N23 1829 Euston-Northampton

350373

2T02 0624 Tring-Euston
1U25 0746 Euston-Crewe
1U28 1102 Crewe-Euston
1U39 1446 Euston-Crewe
1U42 1802 Crewe-Euston
2B27 2105 Euston-Bletchley

 

[swt_passenger]

Someone has posted elsewhere that his train (1N78 above) was formed 350117+350258+350369. A real choice for passengers...

 

[Trainfan344]

I shall try and see 350 373 later then, cheers for the info!

 

[GatwickDepress]

Thanks for the diagram information there!

I saw some 350/3s in the Camden carriage sidings on Saturday, would they have been those three units?

 

[Techniquest]

Good news 3 of them are out today!

Bring on the next Great Escape so I can go hunting them down en-masse!

 

[Andad]

Thanks for info.Craig just got 373 @ Rugby

 

[Trainfan344]

Got 373 @ Stoke twice today, Northbound and Southbound, Will sort the photo's out, anyone know how to submit photo's to the railway magazines?

 

[martinsh]

Anyone got tomorrow's diagrams yet ?

 

[87019Chris]

Got 373 @ Stoke twice today, Northbound and Southbound, Will sort the photo's out, anyone know how to submit photo's to the railway magazines?

I believe its a case of finding an email on there website, good luck!

 

[Class377/5]

373 is parked up at Bletchley CS at the moment.

 

[sd0733]

It worked 14:46 euston-crewe and 18:02 back today as i passed it twice.

 

[Silverlinky]

Grounded!

 

[87015]

Grounded!

But Siemens units never have problems... Everyone must be imagining them all being banished to sidings today (regardless of who you want to blame for the blacklisting, if you believe Siemens could fall down to such a thing!)

 

[brick60000]

4 extra standard seats as the unused guards office by 1st is gone

Ah! I have always wondered what that was for! Sorry to be off topic, but does anybody know what is kept in them nowadays?

 

[Muzer]

For some TOCs, guards

 

[GatwickDepress]

Ah! I have always wondered what that was for! Sorry to be off topic, but does anybody know what is kept in them nowadays?

I believe the ones on 350s were never used as guards offices, only to store trolleys in back when you actually had trolley services, and are correspondingly empty of any equipment - also explains why the glass is opaque as well.

Knowing the railways, the office itself is probably a design relic from when the 350s were going to be 450s for SWT or something and were never replaced during the construction stage.

 

[the sniper]

I've only read the last couple of pages, but just to clarify something, the reason 350/3s are 'staying away from Birmingham' isn't exactly because New Street Guards don't sign them, most now do. The reason is because none of the Guards at New Street, Wolverhampton or (iirc) Coventry have been trained on GSM-R and 350/3s don't have NRN, so they can't work them. The training hasn't begun and no one seems to know when it will...

 

[brick60000]

For some TOCs, guards

I suppose I asked for that one

I believe the ones on 350s were never used as guards offices, only to store trolleys in back when you actually had trolley services, and are correspondingly empty of any equipment - also explains why the glass is opaque as well.

Knowing the railways, the office itself is probably a design relic from when the 350s were going to be 450s for SWT or something and were never replaced during the construction stage.

Seem to remember thinking I could spy a trolley like shadow in the glass . Thanks for the info!

 

[sd0733]

In the space there is a metal rack which would have held a couple of hot water urns and has a couple of power points on it, and that's all that's in there now. They don't serve any useful purpose.
Not sure if its true as I didn't work there when trollies existed but a lot of my colleagues have said that they weren't ever used to store trollies either as the trollies couldn't be turned enough to actually get in there.

 

[Greeby]

Am I the only one thinking that when Doddle has enough stores open in the right places, those trolley stores would be perfect for sending parcels by rail between offices? Granted it would probably be limited to ends of route, but better than nothing.

 

[Techniquest]

I've only read the last couple of pages, but just to clarify something, the reason 350/3s are 'staying away from Birmingham' isn't exactly because New Street Guards don't sign them, most now do. The reason is because none of the Guards at New Street, Wolverhampton or (iirc) Coventry have been trained on GSM-R and 350/3s don't have NRN, so they can't work them. The training hasn't begun and no one seems to know when it will...

Most useful to know!

I went for the 2105 Euston to Bletchley on Tuesday, arrived there around 2040 and it was cancelled. As were other services mind. Some sort of issue on the WCML no doubt, I ended up doing some moves on the Southern instead.

Will get them in eventually!

 

[causton]

I've only read the last couple of pages, but just to clarify something, the reason 350/3s are 'staying away from Birmingham' isn't exactly because New Street Guards don't sign them, most now do. The reason is because none of the Guards at New Street, Wolverhampton or (iirc) Coventry have been trained on GSM-R and 350/3s don't have NRN, so they can't work them. The training hasn't begun and no one seems to know when it will...

Sure some guards from the local area have started training, as I was at the London Midland Academy a week or two ago and some West Midlands-sounding drivers or guards were there talking about how they were there for it! No idea what depot they were really from though...

 

[the sniper]

Sure some guards from the local area have started training, as I was at the London Midland Academy a week or two ago and some West Midlands-sounding drivers or guards were there talking about how they were there for it! No idea what depot they were really from though...

Probably Drivers or West Coast Guards.

 

[harz99]

In the space there is a metal rack which would have held a couple of hot water urns and has a couple of power points on it, and that's all that's in there now. They don't serve any useful purpose.
Not sure if its true as I didn't work there when trollies existed but a lot of my colleagues have said that they weren't ever used to store trollies either as the trollies couldn't be turned enough to actually get in there.

Maybe designed for a different type of trolley, like the smaller ones in use now on the 350/4s?

 

[swt_passenger]

Maybe designed for a different type of trolley, like the smaller ones in use now on the 350/4s?

AFAICS the compartment itself is identical to that on the 450s, and was therefore designed to be used as a guards office, and is used as such on all the SWT versions.

Back in CT/Silverlink days a guard told me that they were not using them as guards offices on the original 350/1s for one reason - that the union did not agree and believed it was better to operate from the back cab.

 

[plastictaffy]

AFAICS the compartment itself is identical to that on the 450s, and was therefore designed to be used as a guards office, and is used as such on all the SWT versions.

Back in CT/Silverlink days a guard told me that they were not using them as guards offices on the original 350/1s for one reason - that the union did not agree and believed it was better to operate from the back cab.

Which I believe was to stick two fingers up at management (one or two members in particular) who said that we weren't to be in ANY cab, at all, ever. The space spoken about on the mark 1's was only ever meant to be for a trolley service. However the trolley service was never implemented on them. That area is not and never has been set up as a Guard's office, and now never will be. I would be surprised if that area stayed in after the units go for refurb.
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Sure some guards from the local area have started training, as I was at the London Midland Academy a week or two ago and some West Midlands-sounding drivers or guards were there talking about how they were there for it! No idea what depot they were really from though...

GSM-R training was done (certainly for us on the south end of the route) about three months ago. Most (if not all) drivers are now trained on it also.

Causton - none of the 350's have NRN..........

 

[Trainfan344]

Any ideas if the new units are out Saturday yet?

 

[87015]

Any ideas if the new units are out Saturday yet?

Not out period as per last week's posts!

 

[Trainfan344]

Also Should we have a topic in the Allocations and Diagrams thread for these units save this thread getting clogged up?

 

[Old Hill Bank]

Also Should we have a topic in the Allocations and Diagrams thread for these units save this thread getting clogged up?

If you can get LM to publish their unit diagrams you will be doing well, I've been asking them about the 172 stuff at meetings for some time but they play the "Dark Art" card every time.