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Looking good 50fan91 (not you the loco, lol), thanks for the pics, looks like its coming along well, that front end looks a lot better than when i last seen it!

Good luck rubbing down the filler, i used to work in a car bodyshop and one thing i hated doing was rubbing down filler, a very tedius job!
 
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Looking good 50fan91 (not you the loco, lol), thanks for the pics, looks like its coming along well, that front end looks a lot better than when i last seen it!

Good luck rubbing down the filler, i used to work in a car bodyshop and one thing i hated doing was rubbing down filler, a very tedius job!

I'm afraid that I can't quite respond with a similar "looking good" style comment - I'm afraid your lorry profile pic doesn't quite do it for me! ;)

I'm glad you like the pics, as I say they are bang up to date and certainly show the progress that is being made.

You must send me a PM on here next time you might be 'in the area'. I remember that you mentioned you were never exactly sure of your impending movements, but if you ever are in the area just drop me a quick line on here and I'll see it!
 

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With regards to D400, I pass the YRC on the train every time I travel Salisbury/Plymouth (or vice versa) and I have been pleased to observe the progress that is being made to the loco. Hope all is well, Fearless crew! :D[/QUOTE]

We are waiting for Fearless to be turned and another slot in the shed to start on the other side. As I think you've seen, the side that was done looks immauculate.
 

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Nice one Andy. A credit to all those who've done the work thus far...

Martin
 

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We are waiting for Fearless to be turned

I shall look forward to seeing a pic on D400's website of it having a spin on the turntable soon then? :)

I have seen the pics of the work done so far Andy and yes it does look good! :)
 

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Anybody got an idea what's happening with 50021 at tyseley?:roll: Had a gd rummage about on the web but can't see any mention about the group that owns 021?
 

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Oh I'm sure there will be pics!!
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Anybody got an idea what's happening with 50021 at tyseley?:roll: Had a gd rummage about on the web but can't see any mention about the group that owns 021?

The 50021 Loco Association doesnt have a website, but I am one of those helping to restore her back to working condition. Bodywork repairs are currently underway & we hope to have the damaged generator set repaired this year.
 

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The 50021 Loco Association doesnt have a website, but I am one of those helping to restore her back to working condition. Bodywork repairs are currently underway & we hope to have the damaged generator set repaired this year.

I used to work for/under a bloke that is part of the 50021 group Andy, long time ago when i used to work for a catalog delivery firm called WHITE ARROW, think there called HOME DELIVERY NETWORK now or something like that, he was a transport manager i believe or manager of some discription, i sent a pic of 50037 'Illustrious' in its DCWA style blue livery into TRACTION magazine years ago and got my name by the pic in the magazine, he obviously read it and got someone to ring me up to ask if it was me :)

You may know him, im racking my brains to try and think of his name.
 

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The 50021 Loco Association doesnt have a website, but I am one of those helping to restore her back to working condition. Bodywork repairs are currently underway & we hope to have the damaged generator set repaired this year.

It's a shame that Rodney doesn't have a website. It is probably this fact that contributes to the general opinion that amongst all the 50s Rodney's situation is currently the most "mysterious" - it isn't of course, you have repeatedly supplied excellent updates in this very thread!

I just feel that there is a lot of potential if you were to have a website.. (I imagine here you will mention, time, effort, resources, etc. and I do quite understand where you are coming from. Royal Oak has a website, and trying to get that updated is a problem in itself!!)

Maybe something to think of for the future?
 

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I used to work for/under a bloke that is part of the 50021 group Andy, long time ago when i used to work for a catalog delivery firm called WHITE ARROW, think there called HOME DELIVERY NETWORK now or something like that, he was a transport manager i believe or manager of some discription, i sent a pic of 50037 'Illustrious' in its DCWA style blue livery into TRACTION magazine years ago and got my name by the pic in the magazine, he obviously read it and got someone to ring me up to ask if it was me :)

You may know him, im racking my brains to try and think of his name.

If you'd like to email me on amr26@blueyonder.co.uk I'll tell you the names I know of the 21 group, but I don't think they'd like their names posted here.
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It's a shame that Rodney doesn't have a website. It is probably this fact that contributes to the general opinion that amongst all the 50s Rodney's situation is currently the most "mysterious" - it isn't of course, you have repeatedly supplied excellent updates in this very thread!

I just feel that there is a lot of potential if you were to have a website.. (I imagine here you will mention, time, effort, resources, etc. and I do quite understand where you are coming from. Royal Oak has a website, and trying to get that updated is a problem in itself!!)

Maybe something to think of for the future?

Before Fotopic went tits up I did suggest making one for the 21 group & the guys said they would prefer to remain private. I don't really know why but I must of course accede to their wishes as I work with them & don't want to **** them off!!
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Latest news on D400 (50 050)

I wrote a letter to "Steam" staying how bad it is having a working loco used as a "Static" one.

RRRG felt exactly the same & we contacted STEAM & offered Renown as a static exhibit in exchange for looking after Glorious at PR, but our offer was rejected. At least she is now being returned to working order at Tyseley.
 

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Before Fotopic went tits up I did suggest making one for the 21 group & the guys said they would prefer to remain private. I don't really know why but I must of course accede to their wishes as I work with them & don't want to **** them off!!
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RRRG felt exactly the same & we contacted STEAM & offered Renown as a static exhibit in exchange for looking after Glorious at PR, but our offer was rejected. At least she is now being returned to working order at Tyseley.

That really is a shame - in this day and age it is websites and similar technological means of communication that are essential in drumming up both support and interest. I completely understand that you must respect the group's wishes, but I honestly think they are missing a trick there!

The idea you say that the RRRG put forwards sounds absolutely excellent, especially as Renown really does look just as good as Glorious! STEAM has got a lot to answer for - let's just hope that Glorious does have a future in the working preservation scene....
 

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The idea you say that the RRRG put forwards sounds absolutely excellent, especially as Renown really does look just as good as Glorious! STEAM has got a lot to answer for - let's just hope that Glorious does have a future in the working preservation scene....[/QUOTE]

That's what we will be continuing to work towards this year, to resolve a few issues from lack of use & make her fully operational & hopefully either later this year or in 2012 attend some other heritage lines.
 

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So who actually owns 50033 these days, is it STEAM, or the Tysley group....... or the NRM?

Last I heard last year, STEAM were in the process of signing it over into the care of Tyseley Museum, but whether that has been completed yet I dont know. As far as I can remember, the NRM passed ownership to STEAM, so I assume in the fullness of time, Tyseley Museum will become it's owners.
 

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Last I heard last year, STEAM were in the process of signing it over into the care of Tyseley Museum, but whether that has been completed yet I dont know. As far as I can remember, the NRM passed ownership to STEAM, so I assume in the fullness of time, Tyseley Museum will become it's owners.

So does any cash change hands when 50033 gets signed over to diffrent parties, i assume the NRM never paid BR for it, and from your wording it does'nt sound as though STEAM paid the NRM for it?
 

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So does any cash change hands when 50033 gets signed over to diffrent parties, i assume the NRM never paid BR for it, and from your wording it does'nt sound as though STEAM paid the NRM for it?

As I understand it, BR donated Glorious to the NRM. When they de-registered her from the National Collection, she was effectively given away to STEAM free of charge. The only reason she ended up at Tyseley was that it was a stop-over in her journey to a destination in London to something akin to the Operation Collingwood which, like OpCo, fell through from lack of funding & I believe the current signing over process involves no payments by Tyseley Museum.
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****New info from the D400 Fund****
This is an extract of an email sent by Ian Horner, co-author of the recent book on D400.

Many of you will be familiar with the book 'First of the Last'
http://www.d400fund.org.uk/sales.html published last year - a review of the
life and times of 50050 written by Andy Coward, Ian Horner and Richard
Thompson. Sales continue to raise funds for the restoration of 50050 -
currently based at the Yeovil Railway Centre.

Photographic contributions were made from many sources including
contributors to this forum, and reaction to the book was positive.
Encouraged by this, Andy and I are collaborating on another book, hopefully
for publication later this year. Entitled 'Class 50s - The Large-Logo Years',
it is an operational review of the post refurbishment period through the
1980s and on to the demise of the class in the early 1990s.

Once again, help would be appreciated with photographic material and this is
an appeal to anyone who may have suitable pictures for inclusion to get in
touch. My previously book-marked links to fotopic sites are of course of
little use now, but new sites do seem to be appearing all over the net! No
money would be paid for the pictures but all funds raised will be put to
good use on two preserved Class 50s; 50027 Lion and 50050 Fearless. The
chapter summarising the first decade of Class 50s is in need of a view or
two so in spite of the title, pics of the Crewe based era are welcome too as
well as early WR.

If you are able to help, please reply in this thread with a web-site link,
PM me or send an e-mail to ianfhornerATvirginmediaDOTcom. For your
assistance, a complimentary copy of the book would be provided together with
full acknowledgement inside with a web-link if desired.

Thanks for reading.

Ian
 

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What the relationship between 50027 and 50050, are the same people involved in maintaining/restoring them?

I believe one of the 50027 guys knows Richard Thompson, who I work with on Fearless, but I don't know how they got to know each other & I dont know if Rich has ever worked on 27.

On a completely unconnected matter, how do you put a pic on here like your truck?
 

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Go to the top of the page Andy, click on User CP, then on the left in one of the colums its says Edit Avatar, click on that and choose ya pic ;)
 

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Does anyone know what is wrong with 50135?

I was taking part in a Driver Experience day on 37109 @ ELR on Tuesday

She was fired up in readiness for the Diesel Gala, but for some reason, couldn't take power, therefore 20048 pushed it from by Bury South Box into Bury Bolton Street.
 

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GearJammer, I agree that it doesn't suit LoadHaul. There are only three decent liveries for Class 50s, these being BR Blue, Large Logo Blue & Network SouthEast (old & new).
 

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Id add 50015's dutch livery to that list, always looked smart to me but thats probably because it was always keeped clean, 50007 and 50149 also looked ok, and while not a very inspired livery the departmental blue carried by 50008, 50019 and 50037 was'nt that bad.

Only a personal opinion but i think all these locos should carry these liveries in preservation (except the dear departed Illustrious, my personal favourite) as i don't think any of them would have been preserved if it was'nt for them paint jobs.
 

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I agree that 50015 looks good in Dutch with the addition of mini ploughs!

Wasn't impressed with D444 in two-tone Green, but Laira Blue on Departmental locos was ok.
 

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No idea but it might have been sulking because of that god awfull paint job its wearing :D

I agree about Toadhaul; it's a horrendous livery. Perhaps it was refusing to work in sympathy with the striking civil servants ;)
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Id add 50015's dutch livery to that list, always looked smart to me but thats probably because it was always keeped clean, 50007 and 50149 also looked ok, and while not a very inspired livery the departmental blue carried by 50008, 50019 and 50037 was'nt that bad.

Only a personal opinion but i think all these locos should carry these liveries in preservation (except the dear departed Illustrious, my personal favourite) as i don't think any of them would have been preserved if it wasn't for them paint jobs.

I agree again, it was probably the celeb & depot paint jobs that saved some of the 50's. 50008 is currently at Washwood Heath to have the AWS & vacuum brake equipment reinstated. I was working on her two Sunday's ago (& will be again tomorrow) & she does look good in departmental blue.
 

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Could you imagine what Class 50s would have looked like in Mainline Freight Blue, Transrail & Transrail Dutch?
 
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