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No, I agree. I don’t do track bashing in detail but apparently there were some genuinely rare bits done such as the Northern platform crossover to the Merseyrail network at Ellesmere Port.

I got quite a bit of new line in and it’s a bit of a trek to get to that patch on service trains so I found it worthwhile; especially when you put a 40 on the front :)

And that the Helsby - Ellesmere Port services are not the best at actually running (at least in my experience).
 
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Evening @Iskra. :)
I was thinking about 47614 when I read this and I remembered that I first had it down my way in 1987 despite it being a fairly Scottish machine at the time (photo by David Lamb).
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It became very common once it became 47853 of course but I always liked it because of the XP64 connection, and it was a decent performer back in the day too.
The class 40s are an interesting one though because of the ones preserved (012,013,106,118,122,135 and 145), 40013 took decades to get running again (including a start up in the 2000s that caused the engine to seize after ten minutes of running) since withdrawal in the 1980s and to see Andania back on the mainline after a gap of over 35 years is wonderful.
Out of that list only 40118 is yet to have run in preservation I believe, although whether 40122 will ever do so again is another matter unfortunately.
 

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Great video @Iskra ! Looking forward to seeing some footage of D445s in and around Locri. Presumably all the InterCity services in Sicily are now worked by top'n'tail E464s (I haven't been there since Autumn 2017). Any sign of active E656s, or are they all now on the scrap line at Messina depot?
There’s lots of E464’s around:

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I’m at Villa San Giovanni now and IC1567 is delayed by 280 minutes :D I assume that’s a night train from Milan or Turin.

I’ll see what I can do about D445’s but I’ve got no plans for those loco’s on this trip.
 

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@D6130 I’ve just arrived in Locri and an IC was due the other way so I waited for it and it was this:

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But, sources tell me the working yesterday morning was a D445 so that supports my theory that they are short on Diesel loco’s and that the morning service is loco-hauled and the afternoon either runs with anything that is available and spare or is cancelled.

Here is the current timetable for the line, which shows the IC services:

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Nice photos! That looks like one of the fairly new class ATR220 three car articulated DMUs, built by PESA in Poland. Unfortunately they're very noisy and uncomfortable, with hard seats and hardly any legroom. They also have exhaust pipes which vibrate like dimented rattlesnakes when under full throttle, making conversation well-nigh impossible and the air-con is not great.

I’m at Villa San Giovanni now and IC1567 is delayed by 280 minutes :D I assume that’s a night train from Milan or Turin.
That would be the 13 33 departure from Torino Porta Nuova to Reggio Calabria Centrale, due in Reggio at 10 00 the following morning. The very heavy delay is likely to have been caused by the bad weather which has affected the Genova area over the last few days. Several sections of line have been under water or affected by landslides and diversions and single line working have been in operation in various locations.

If you don't already have it installed, I can recommend the 'Train Timetable' app which is available in English and gives point-to-point connections for all journeys on state and private/open access routes in Italy, as well as arrival and departure lists for every Italian station, plus real time running information for all FS-Trenitalia services....although, unlike Real Time Trains in the UK, it doesn't give loco and stock allocations.

If you have the time, I can recommend a day trip from Locri to Catanzaro Lido and back, possibly using the loco-hauled IC in at least one direction. There you will find a large yard and loco/DMU depot, which is visible from the station and - if you have even more time - a trip up the FCL narrow gauge rack & pinion line to Catanzaro Citta would be very enjoyable. Buone vacanze!
 

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Wow, that’s quite the list of flaws. I’ve only ever travelled fairly short distances on them, so haven’t noticed a lot of that yet. Although I know I would be disappointed if one of those turned up instead of my LHCS!

Ah, that explains it, I flew through that bad weather yesterday and it wasn’t pleasant!

Thank you for the app information, that should help me significantly :)

Yes, that’s a journey I’ve done many times and I will be passing through Catanzaro Lido in order to head to Cosenza on this holiday, I always find the depot up there of interest.

The narrow gauge rack and pinion is on the agenda, I may sample it on the other coast at Cosenza, if not it will depend on the weather whether I cover it on this holiday from the Catanzaro side. If I can’t do it on this holiday I hope to do so next year. Thanks for all your assistance :)
 

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Well @D6130 you wait all week to see a diesel loco and the you see two at once. Two services cross near Locri in the early afternoon so I was able to take a break from sunbathing and catch both.

The breaking news is that not only were they both LHCS, but they both had 3 carriages in the rake too. So they may now be no longer Europe’s shortest IC trains…

(Excuse the poor picture on the second one)



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The breaking news is that not only were they both LHCS, but they both had 3 carriages in the rake too. So they may now be no longer Europe’s shortest IC trains…
Maybe the three carriage rakes are a temporary social-distancing measure until Covid passes! Looks like you're having great weather down there in sunny Calabria. It's sunny and clear here in Tuscany too - but with a decidedly chilly 'Tramontana' North wind blowing down from the Alps.
 

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Maybe the three carriage rakes are a temporary social-distancing measure until Covid passes! Looks like you're having great weather down there in sunny Calabria. It's sunny and clear here in Tuscany too - but with a decidedly chilly 'Tramontana' North wind blowing down from the Alps.
It's sunny in Yorkshire too!
 

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Italian Ramblings 4/10-16/10; Part 1 getting there, the train ferry and journey to Locri

Once the green light for international travel for the masses was given, I quickly researched the logistics of how viable a foreign holiday in October was. Clearly, it was going to be a little more expensive than normal but not astronomically so. The testing requirements weren't that bad for Italy as they are happier with just a cheaper antigen test over there. Thus, I booked my outward flights. The choice of flights was reduced compared to pre-pandemic, so I ended up spying an opportunity to do some interesting rail journeys and to link my flights to a one night hotel stay which ensured it counted as a packaged holiday- should anything go wrong I would therefore have slightly more entrenched rights.

4/10

I got an Uber down to Sheffield station, which very early on a Monday morning wasn't easy due to the reduced nightlife these days, so I allowed plenty of time for this. After multiple attempts I got an Uber and the driver was fantastic. This meant I arrived early enough for the 0345 Transpennine service to Manchester Airport, although the station was locked when I arrived. I had a cheap advance booked on the next service, but I required a test pre-departure at Manchester Airport and I was increasingly concerned about how long all this would take, so I bought an anytime single to be able to travel on the earlier service. The anytime fare is a rip off, but then I saw it was only £9.90 to go first class, which I did as I suspected I would get the full compartment to myself for the journey and would keep me away from other people and any unsavoury characters that might be travelling at such an hour; I'd had naff all sleep having got home late from the class 40 railtour described above, so knew I would be a bit irritable on this leg- this was a sound investment and it worked out perfectly. The journey was a pleasant one and the TP train took the normal route for Northern services via Romiley rather than the usual TP route via Stockport. First stop was Manchester Piccadilly, where this train has quite the dwell- another factor for my 1st class upgrade was that my compartment stayed warm rather than the doors being opened at this time. The train then busied up and we reversed out of the trainshed towards the airport. As tired as I was, it actually felt nice just to be able to travel on the silly o-clock airport train once again to somewhere exotic :)

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I now had a bit of waiting around in the shared seating area between the train station and bus station before the testing facility opened at 0700. There were other's doing the same as me, but also a mixture of people using it as a place to sleep the night. My main observation was how cold it was here. The testing facility opened promptly at 0700 and the whole process was very smooth. I then walked into Terminal 1 where I had to check-in in person as BA's online check in is not available for travel to Italy at the moment. The queue was quite long, so I joined it in the anticipation that I would have my test result with me by the time I got to the front of it. Luckily this worked and my test result was negative, so I was good to go.

I was flying with BA today firstly from Manchester to Heathrow and then onwards to Catania, Sicily. I did this just to reduce hassle should anything go wrong at any point, I'm not a massive fan of unnecessary domestic flights but it was just much easier to do it this way and it avoided an airport hotel stay for me. The airport wasn't operating at full capacity and a number of businesses and outlets were closed. Thus, I grabbed a much needed coffee from Starbucks and a breakfast sandwich while I awaited my gate information. The plane was delayed a few minutes, but nothing to worry about. The aircraft was nice and clean, the flight was lovely and smooth- BA even provided a complimentary nutrigrain bar and bottle of water. This was unexpected as I got nothing on this flight on the previous two occasions, and the journey is only 30mins. There were a few spare seats so I moved onto an empty aisle. The passengers on this flight were a real mix, clearly connecting onto many far-flung destinations. On the descent into London we flew right over the centre and got a good view of some of the major sights which was interesting.

Arrival at Heathrow was seamless as I was staying in the same terminal, all I had to do was scan my next boarding pass at an E-gate and walk up a flight of stairs and I emerged into Spoons, so it seemed rude not to indulge. I was in need of sustenance anyway. I sat and read my book, enjoying four pints of Doombar- I don't normally drink much booze before flying but the first pint was cracking quality and it just happened really. I had a really boring meal of sausage, egg, chips and beans but it was food. During this time I read my book which follows a tank unit through Normandy and is by James Holland, it was interesting enough. My next flight was delayed by about 30 mins. Boarding was a bit disorganised. It turns out the British Water Polo team(s) were on my flight heading for the European Championships held in Catania that week. I was sat at the rear of the plane, having booked a window seat in the hope of a good view of Mt Etna later on at Sicily. The crew were fantastic on this flight it must be said. Light snacks were dished out which turned out to be a bottle of water and a pack of salted crisps- better than nothing I suppose and a drink is always appreciated, the online snackbar didn't have anything particularly exciting available so I didn't have anything else. I decided to buy wifi on this plane, which was a nice novelty, but this also coincided with the facebook/whatsapp outage so that did restrict my ability to enjoy it a little. Unfortunately, as soon as we crossed the English channel we encountered turbulence. There followed a period of time where the captain adjusted altitude fairly frequently to try find a decent altitude to fly at. Eventually we seemed to settle on one just above the clouds. However, this didn't last long as we then ended up in the clouds, bouncing around quite severely for the next couple of house. Not the best flight, but this wasn't BA's fault at all. During this time the cabin crew came around and gave everyone two forms to fill out. One was for Italian Customs and the other some sort of disclaimer for BA, which basically seemed to suggest that if you were rejected by Italy due to not having the correct testing/paperwork, BA weren't having anything to do with you. I assisted two pleasant women who were heading to a wedding in Taormina with the filling in of the Italian Covid immigration form and in return they let me borrow their pen. Filling in paperwork on a bouncing plane, is not easy and it took a significant amount of time and effort, I was hoping there wouldn't be any marks deducted for scruffy handwriting. Overall, knowing Italy as I do, I wasn't too concerned about the forms as most Italians are very relaxed about everything. We eventually emerged from the edge of the storm with about 30 mins flight time left and after that it was quite pleasant. I got some good views of Sicily and it's seas, but unfortunately I couldn't make out Mt Etna on this occasion. On landing there was quite a queue due to just two border police on duty and one of them was dealing with EU citizens as priority. Meanwhile, we were being monitored for high temperatures by thermal imaging cameras which an official was watching on an Ipad. I was a bit hot and bothered at this time, but not overly concerned as much Italian bureaucracy is just for show in the South and she didn't speak to anyone at all from our flight in the end. Upon reaching the border police my passport was stamped for the first time in Italy. Exit from the airport was then swift, with nobody bothering to ask for my Italian Covid form at all.

The thunderstorm we flew through/around:


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Due the delay of the flight and getting through immigration, I took a taxi from the airport to my hotel on the far side of the town. I wasn't a massive fan of the drivers driving style, but this is how things are in Italy. The city of Catania looked nice and there was plenty of life, with lots of people in the streets and food vendors and stalls at the sides of the road. My hotel was on the seafront, was very nice and check in was simple. I was absolutely exhausted at this point, so although I had originally anticipated exploring Catania on this evening, I simply went straight to bed and enjoyed some cracking sleep.

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I awoke at 0600ish with the plan of hopefully seeing the sunrise while having breakfast on the rooftop restaurant, this plan worked perfectly and it was worth it. The breakfast buffet was excellent and I made the most of it. I admire any country where cake can feature on the breakfast buffet. I like cake.

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I checked out and asked the receptionist if she could order a taxi, which then took me to the station, it was only about 2km, but I didn't fancy the walk with a suitcase in the dawning heat. Once I explained to the taxi driver that I was heading to Calabria, the taxi driver was intrigued as to who I was; Calabria is the home of the Ndrangheta- a powerful Italian crime syndicate, with many international connections. When I tell Italians I'm going to Calabria, many seem to be a bit suspicious of me. I find that mildly amusing, of course they are very wrong with that assumption.

Todays objective was to travel from Catania Station to Locri, Calabria. This is one of the worlds more interesting rail journeys, as of course the train goes on the ferry and I've wanted to do this journey for quite some time, so it was nice to actually do it. It's not the first time, I've been on the train ferry as I've previously crossed the straits of Messina multiple times, as a foot passenger, in a car and on the Hydrofoils. However, this would be the first time I would do this journey as a Trenitalia passenger. The total journey time today would be around 5 hours, the first part of my journey being on an IC train in first class and the next two trains being Regionali- the cost for this was around 17 Euros which I thought was a bargain.

Upon being dropped off at Catania, I went to photograph the station. At this point the taxi driver was frantically waving me in the direction of the station entrance, thinking I was getting wildly lost. I can't help but see a resemblance to Huddersfield in the station here. At one end of the platform is an old rack & pinion steam locomotive from a former branchline here, which will have greater relevance to this report later on.

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The station cafe was overly busy so although I could have done with provisions, I didn't attempt to. The station shop was sadly closed on a long term basis, which I found a lot at even large stations on this trip, so buy provisions in advance of your travels in Italy currently. I then waited on the platform. At this time the railway police went down the platform checking everyone's passports, although they ignored me during this check. There was a night train in the platform opposite heading for Syracuse with its distinctive, smart dark liveried carriages and a locomotive at each end. I still haven't been on an Italian night train, so this is something I need to do. My IC train then arrived with an E464 locomotive at the front.

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I'd booked first class, because it was ridiculously cheap. Standard on Italian trains is perfectly fine for me, but sometimes it's rude not to. Social distancing measures are still in force on Italian trains, including mandatory mask wearing, seats out of use and one way systems. These rules are generally followed. You may also be asked for your Green Pass, which I was on this train by the Capotreni, but this was the only time I was asked for this on a train during my time in Italy.

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The train passed along the coast through Taormina and it's a pleasant journey, with excellent scenery, views of Mount Etna and the sea. Quite a few tunnels are encountered however.

Pulling in to Messina station, the 4 carriages that arrived from Palermo are waiting in the platform already with two diesel shunters attached to the rear of them via barrier wagons. This portion is then pulled out of the station and shunted onto the rear of our carriages. Our electric locomotive then detaches and we are shunted towards, and then onto the ferry. The Syracuse portion is then secured on the ship and you can alight. The shunting staff member was happy for me to film the Palermo portion (now split from our train) being shunted onto the other side of the ferry providing I stayed out of the way and he told me the best place to stand. The crew throughout were very relaxed about being filmed and allowed me to stand close to the action as long as I was safe and not in the way of their work. I've attached videos of these movements and others from the train ferry below:






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On the train ferry, the air con in the carriages stops so it gets very warm onboard. You are however welcome to remain in your carriage for the crossing and you can leave your luggage there too. I however, went on to the top deck to enjoy the view, the sun and the fresh air. Do pay close attention to which deck you are on in relation to the train- the ferry turns at least once during the journey so it can be disorientating as the ships innards all look the same.

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'We Bless You and Your City'

At Villa San Giovanni, the train is then shunted off the ferry this time by a solitary shunter and you pass a fantastic example of what happens when things go wrong during the shunting process.

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The type of diesel locomotive used for the shunting at both sides of the Straits of Messina.

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I then took a modern regionali train from Villa San Giovanni station to Reggio Di Calabria Centrale, where I changed for the regionali train to Locri. I'm not asked for my ticket on the first service, but am on the second. On neither am I asked for my green pass. You will notice the deterioration in rolling stock quality as I head into Southern Calabria, although the old units are actually okay on the inside but the do lack air con. As I head along the coast, a storm blows in and I can no longer see Sicily as I travel the opposite coast and by the time I arrive in Locri thunder and lightning has started. Not a bad triip though for the price; 1 Electric Loco, 3 Diesel Shunters, a Ferry and 2 units.
 
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Maybe the three carriage rakes are a temporary social-distancing measure until Covid passes! Looks like you're having great weather down there in sunny Calabria. It's sunny and clear here in Tuscany too - but with a decidedly chilly 'Tramontana' North wind blowing down from the Alps.
Haha, quite possibly! The weather was a bit mixed to be honest, but I just went exploring in the mountains on the poorer days. Do you know what type of Italian shunter is used on the Messina ferry (pictured above) please?

*The final 3 photos for the above report are below:
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Excellent report and stunning photos. The damaged couchette coach in the yard at Villa San Giovanni has been there - sitting on an accommodation bogie at one end - for several years now. I recall seeing it on my last but one visit to Sicily in May/June 2016. Redundant couchette coaches of that type are used for the shunter to ride in when putting trains on and off the ferries, coupled to a flatbed wagon weighted with old concrete sleepers, to provide the spacing between the shunting loco and the train....as the loco is not permitted to stand on the linkspan. The locos used to shunt stock on and off the ferries are class 145 second series 675 Kw diesel-electric heavy shunters and trip freight locomotives....built in the early 1990s by Tecnomasia Italiana Brown Boveri at their Sesto San Giovanni works near Milano. They have Bo-Bo wheel arrangement, a twelve cylinder four-stroke diesel engine and were the first Italian diesel locomotives to have an electronic inverter control system. The locos used on both sides of the straits are allocated to Messina depot and when the locos used on the mainland side require maintenance or heavy exams, special arrangements have to be made to get them across by ferry. You could do with getting hold of a copy of the latest edition of Platform 5 Publications' "Italian Locomotives and Multiple Units". Looking forward to seeing more!
 
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Italian Ramblings- Part 2

I recently discovered the existence of a parallel rail network in Calabria, still in operation. I had known that there was a network of narrow gauge lines in the region, that were amongst the last bastions of European steam passenger services. However, I had assumed it was all gone or abandoned- there are some old narrow gauge lines that seem abandoned on the mainline between Reggio Di Calabria and Salerno so I assumed that was the former network and it was closed. However, on Youtube I stumbled on a video for a preserved narrow gauge steam line in the area;


This train runs mainly on weekends. On looking into riding this line, I discovered that the line is still served at each end by Ferrovie Della Calabria rail services, with the preserved section that the steam train operates on in the middle having an extremely spartan regular service to bridge the gap between the two stubs of metro services. The existence of this network is almost a secret, with FS and Trenitalia barely advertising it. Thus, a plan was developed.

I travelled by car from my home base to Catanzaro Lido. I've travelled through the regular FS station here many times. The FC station is about 100m away, obscurely tucked away around a corner with a station building that appears closed and derelict, apart from a door left ajar. If you push on this door, you then enter a spartan booking office with timetables on the wall. There is a window where you can buy a ticket from the clerk (who is also the signaller), or a self service machine which does have an English Language function, although it only translates some of the information. After a few attempts, I bought the required tickets for a trip to Catanzaro Citta. It's E1.80 per ticket.

The station is interesting, and it looks like they are either building a new, modern line or doubling the track- all along the route the existing stations have a new one being built alongside. However, work looked 'paused,' so if this will ever be completed, I'm not sure. Behind the new platform, you can see some old railway buildings.

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The train was modern and clean. On boarding, you need to validate your ticket on a machine in the doorway. The line starts down at sea level near the beach before gently climbing for a few km. The train then reaches the first station in Catanzaro Citta proper. Catanzaro is a historic mountain town built on a rocky, elevated plateau in order to defend itself from marauding invaders. On leaving this station, the line becomes rack and pinion and you climb in a series of steeply elevated curved tunnels and cuttings before arriving in a semi-submerged station. This is an impressive section of line to travel and I wasn't expecting such a dramatic journey. The line then continues to Catanzaro Citta station where our train terminates. Onward connections are available here for some more externally-dilapidated trains that run into the mountain villages. I briefly boarded one of these older units, and actually they were very pleasant and clean internally.


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We then went to explore Catanzaro City, which is pleasant and it has many amenities. I enjoyed the old town. I took a photo, to demonstrate the height and distance that is climbed on the journey from sea level on the left:

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After a pleasant perambulation around the city we then returned for the return journey. This time the machine was occupied by some schoolkids, so I needed to order our tickets at the window; I did this in my best Italian which the vendor found funny. Italian is not Italian in this part of the world- a number of regional dialects can be found that aren't what you learn when you learn Italian. Nevertheless, I ended up with the tickets we needed. It is also possible that he was just happy to have served a foreigner; this part of the country doesn't see too many outside visitors as although it is beautiful it is not widely known. The station was exceptionally busy with school children; although most actually ended up getting on the buses in the adjacent bus station rather than the train.
 

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Excellent report and stunning photos. The damaged couchette coach in the yard at Villa San Giovanni has been there - sitting on an accommodation bogie at one end - for several years now. I recall seeing it on my last but one visit to Sicily in May/June 2016. Redundant couchette coaches of that type are used for the shunter to ride in when putting trains on and off the ferries, coupled to a flatbed wagon weighted with old concrete sleepers, to provide the spacing between the shunting loco and the train....as the loco is not permitted to stand on the linkspan. The locos used to shunt stock on and off the ferries are class 145 second series 675 Kw diesel-electric heavy shunters and trip freight locomotives....built in the early 1990s by Tecnomasia Italiana Brown Boveri at their Sesto San Giovanni works near Milano. They have Bo-Bo wheel arrangement, a twelve cylinder four-stroke diesel engine and were the first Italian diesel locomotives to have an electronic inverter control system. The locos used on both sides of the straits are allocated to Messina depot and when the locos used on the mainland side require maintenance or heavy exams, special arrangements have to be made to get them across by ferry. You could do with getting hold of a copy of the latest edition of Platform 5 Publications' "Italian Locomotives and Multiple Units". Looking forward to seeing more!
Ah, that's interesting- I did notice the temporary bogies it was on. Yeah, the shunting operations are very interesting to watch and I noticed the barrier vehicles- thanks for the explanation.

Thanks for the information on the shunters, I didn't expect them to be that modern. You're right, I could do with such a book, but £20+ seems a tad expensive for something I will only need a few weeks a year unfortunately!
 

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Italian Ramblings- Part 2

I recently discovered the existence of a parallel rail network in Calabria, still in operation. I had known that there was a network of narrow gauge lines in the region, that were amongst the last bastions of European steam passenger services. However, I had assumed it was all gone or abandoned- there are some old narrow gauge lines that seem abandoned on the mainline between Reggio Di Calabria and Salerno so I assumed that was the former network and it was closed. However, on Youtube I stumbled on a video for a preserved narrow gauge steam line in the area;


This train runs mainly on weekends. On looking into riding this line, I discovered that the line is still served at each end by Ferrovie Della Calabria rail services, with the preserved section that the steam train operates on in the middle having an extremely spartan regular service to bridge the gap between the two stubs of metro services. The existence of this network is almost a secret, with FS and Trenitalia barely advertising it. Thus, a plan was developed.

I travelled by car from my home base to Catanzaro Lido. I've travelled through the regular FS station here many times. The FC station is about 100m away, obscurely tucked away around a corner with a station building that appears closed and derelict, apart from a door left ajar. If you push on this door, you then enter a spartan booking office with timetables on the wall. There is a window where you can buy a ticket from the clerk (who is also the signaller), or a self service machine which does have an English Language function, although it only translates some of the information. After a few attempts, I bought the required tickets for a trip to Catanzaro Citta. It's E1.80 per ticket.

The station is interesting, and it looks like they are either building a new, modern line or doubling the track- all along the route the existing stations have a new one being built alongside. However, work looked 'paused,' so if this will ever be completed, I'm not sure. Behind the new platform, you can see some old railway buildings.

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The train was modern and clean. On boarding, you need to validate your ticket on a machine in the doorway. The line starts down at sea level near the beach before gently climbing for a few km. The train then reaches the first station in Catanzaro Citta proper. Catanzaro is a historic mountain town built on a rocky, elevated plateau in order to defend itself from marauding invaders. On leaving this station, the line becomes rack and pinion and you climb in a series of steeply elevated curved tunnels and cuttings before arriving in a semi-submerged station. This is an impressive section of line to travel and I wasn't expecting such a dramatic journey. The line then continues to Catanzaro Citta station where our train terminates. Onward connections are available here for some more externally-dilapidated trains that run into the mountain villages. I briefly boarded one of these older units, and actually they were very pleasant and clean internally.


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We then went to explore Catanzaro City, which is pleasant and it has many amenities. I enjoyed the old town. I took a photo, to demonstrate the height and distance that is climbed on the journey from sea level on the left:

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After a pleasant perambulation around the city we then returned for the return journey. This time the machine was occupied by some schoolkids, so I needed to order our tickets at the window; I did this in my best Italian which the vendor found funny. Italian is not Italian in this part of the world- a number of regional dialects can be found that aren't what you learn when you learn Italian. Nevertheless, I ended up with the tickets we needed. It is also possible that he was just happy to have served a foreigner; this part of the country doesn't see too many outside visitors as although it is beautiful it is not widely known. The station was exceptionally busy with school children; although most actually ended up getting on the buses in the adjacent bus station rather than the train.

Wow. That looks absolutely fantastic @Iskra. A most enjoyable read I must say.
 

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Another excellent report from sunny Calabria, accompanied by some stunning photographs. Did you know that Catanzaro is actually the capital city of the Calabria region, despite the fact that Reggio is the larger city? The impressive single-arch motorway bridge shown in your photo was designed in the 1960s by the engineer Riccardo Morandi, who also designed the motorway viaduct in Genova which collapsed just over three years ago, killing dozens of people. In the aftermath of that incident, thorough checks were carried out on the Catanzaro bridge and several others and a certain amount of 'concrete cancer' was found, requiring urgent remedial works.

Regarding the Platform 5 Publications' "Italian Railways Locomotives and Multiple Units" handbook, you may only need to take it with you to Italy once or twice a year....but it will give you hours of fascinating bedtime reading during the long winter nights in Chapeltown! :D
 

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Another excellent report from sunny Calabria, accompanied by some stunning photographs. Did you know that Catanzaro is actually the capital city of the Calabria region, despite the fact that Reggio is the larger city? The impressive single-arch motorway bridge shown in your photo was designed in the 1960s by the engineer Riccardo Morandi, who also designed the motorway viaduct in Genova which collapsed just over three years ago, killing dozens of people. In the aftermath of that incident, thorough checks were carried out on the Catanzaro bridge and several others and a certain amount of 'concrete cancer' was found, requiring urgent remedial works.

Regarding the Platform 5 Publications' "Italian Railways Locomotives and Multiple Units" handbook, you may only need to take it with you to Italy once or twice a year....but it will give you hours of fascinating bedtime reading during the long winter nights in Chapeltown! :D

I thought that bridge had a certain familiar style to it. Very interesting.
 

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Wow. That looks absolutely fantastic @Iskra. A most enjoyable read I must say.
Thank you!

Last but, not least; Part 3!

I've been wanting to visit Cosenza for quite some time, as I believe it is the ancient capital of the region, so I thought it would have some good tourist potential. The journey there on Trenitalia I thought would be an interesting one too.

I started early in the morning at Locri on a single carriage railcar that was very busy. Comically, these units even have a first class section- on a one car unit! At Catanzaro Lido FS I switched to another similar railcar for the journey across the width of the foot of Italy to Lamezia Terme. I've done both these two journeys many times before and they are covered within this thread many times, so I will simple post a picture or two and then move on:

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At Lamezia Terme, I changed for a 'proper train' up the mainline along the coast to Paolo, where I remained onboard and the train reversed. I managed to get a compartment in the DVT to myself, which I believe is a first on a daytime service train- I'd never actually been in a compartment before; only on preserved lines and sleeper trains. After the reversal at Paolo, I was on new line. I was expecting some kind of scenic, circuitous climbing journey up to Cosenza, which I knew to be in the mountains. However, I was totally wrong. The line takes an extremely direct route, but is almost all in tunnels.

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At Cosenza, the FS station appeared to be some distance from the old town. The station is massive, but not very busy and many of the amenities were closed. It then started raining, so tourism went out of the window and I approached the Ferrovie Della Calabria timetable to see what I could do within the few hours I had available. I soon worked out that I could travel to a place called Rogliano and back within the required time. This would leave me with a bit of time to have a walk around Cosenza on the way back, should I desire. I'd never heard of Rogliano, but a quick google showed it to be in the mountains and that it had some amenities for me while I waited for the train back. The trains used don't have toilets, so research was required on this stretch of the journey! This line is the opposite end of the line that I covered in Part 2. The narrow gauge platforms are adjacent to the mainline platforms at this station, so it was a much better interchange.

The units used were slightly different on this end of the line, but as per the Southern End they were scruffy on the outside but very pleasant internally. RailUK readers will be delighted to know that they have the best seat padding of any light rail I've ever travelled on :)

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The driver drove with the door open, which I appreciated for the forward views.

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The rear compartment carried a label I hadn't seen for a long time. I've no idea if it is defunct but not removed, but there was a feint whiff of smoke in the compartment:

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The line starts by traversing a couple of km's through Cosenza, providing good views of the old town. There is a station here if you wish to explore. It is soon apparent that they like a bridge or two in Cosenza; it's possibly the Newcastle of Italy. Under one of these bridges and under the river underneath, lies Alaric the Hun's tomb, apparently. From here the line starts to climb into the mountains, through many tunnels and a lot of forested terrain which is very different to the scenery down by the coast- it's almost Alpine and the line takes on that character too, crossing many viaducts, gorges etc. It's a very interesting line and the views across the mountains are excellent. At some point we pass another service heading in the opposite direction, before continuing across more of the heavily engineered mountain terrain. Rogliano is the end of the line today and the train heads of to reverse. The station has an alpine feel to it, but is pleasant.

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The town itself is a short uphill walk and it's a surprisingly nice little place. I enjoy a coffee and a croissant and take a few photo's from the vantage points.

Back at the station, I went to buy a ticket for the return journey. Feeling brave, I went to the ticket window rather than machine, to find the lady spoke excellent English. It's not all that common to find English speakers in Southern Italy, especially not in the mountains. Once she sells me my ticket, she joins me on the platform and talks to me while she has a smoke. A very pleasant lady. I enquire about the possibility of travelling the full length of the line. She tells me it's possible, but complicated. Little does she know, that's right up my street :D She was a little confused about my interest in travel and railways, but she tells me some cool places to visit and then the signal bell rings to advise of the my train arriving and she disappears to signal my train into the station for the return journey. The train then heads off to reverse for the return journey:


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This units interior was clearly older, but still very comfortable.

The rain continues as we descend from the mountains, which gets me thinking about the quality of the braking mechanism's on these units. We wait a long time at the passing place on the way down, to the frustration of our fellow passengers. Eventually a train rattles in from the opposite direction and we proceed gingerly onwards. I decided to disembark at the old town and walk the 3km back down to the FS station in order to get more of a feel for Cosenza. Sadly, the more interesting bits of the old town are up hill from here, whereas I need to walk downhill to reach the FS station so I don't see too much, only the more bland, modern side of town. The town and roads are congested here, but unusually in Italy the motorists today seem to take pity on me walking in the rain and several times they let me walk across the road ahead of them, before I even have to break my stride. The walk isn't the most interesting, but unless you do these things you don't find out do you. Getting into the main FS station is hard as it's raised off above ground level with no obvious pedestrian entrance- so I end up walking up a sliproad.

The journey home was on the same LHCS that I arrived on, down to Lamezia Terme. From here, I got what I call the 'Locri Flyer,' it's a direct through train that terminates at Locri and avoids the need for a change of train at Catanzaro Lido which only runs a couple of times a day. It's still a single car railcar, but it just seems a nicer journey without a change.

And that ended my travels in Italy on this holiday. A lot of fun was had, particularly on the train ferry and with the narrow gauge lines. Hopefully, next year I can try do the Sila Steam Train- that would be pretty special I think and I'd like to support the Italian preservation movement :)
 

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Another excellent report from sunny Calabria, accompanied by some stunning photographs. Did you know that Catanzaro is actually the capital city of the Calabria region, despite the fact that Reggio is the larger city? The impressive single-arch motorway bridge shown in your photo was designed in the 1960s by the engineer Riccardo Morandi, who also designed the motorway viaduct in Genova which collapsed just over three years ago, killing dozens of people. In the aftermath of that incident, thorough checks were carried out on the Catanzaro bridge and several others and a certain amount of 'concrete cancer' was found, requiring urgent remedial works.

Regarding the Platform 5 Publications' "Italian Railways Locomotives and Multiple Units" handbook, you may only need to take it with you to Italy once or twice a year....but it will give you hours of fascinating bedtime reading during the long winter nights in Chapeltown! :D
I didn't know that, but it makes sense now! As a city Catanzaro has a lot more charm and character than Reggio, but Reggio does have the benefit of being on the sea with the views of Sicily. Oh wow, that's interesting and I'm glad they fixed the bridge- it's an impressive structure.

Haha, I am sure I will eventually cave in. It's a matter of when, not if usually with these things!
 

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Is that lever frame on the platform in use?
 

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Is that lever frame on the platform in use?
No, they weren't used while I was there. It's good that they have left them at the stations for posterity though. In the little room to the right there is a modern signalling panel which they use instead.
 

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No, they weren't used while I was there. It's good that they have left them at the stations for posterity though. In the little room to the right there is a modern signalling panel which they use instead.

Ah ok. Nice to see it there still though.
 

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You've really excelled yourself there @Iskra! I wish I had the time to write-up my trips in such a comprehensive and readable manner. You're going to have to brush up on your Italian, so you can get even more interesting information from Italian railway staff! I was very lucky to have had the opportunity to ride on the origininal Paola-Cosenza rack-and-pinion line over the top of the mountain in April 1986, shortly before the opening of the new 8.9 Km long Sammarco Tunnel. After a long journey down from Rome on the InterCity to Sicily (then known as a 'Rapido'), I alighted at Paola for lunch and a walk along the pebble beach to do some railway photography, before joining a 1954-vintage Fiat cog-fitted diesel railcar for the trip to Cosenza. As we ground slowly up the mountainside in the gathering dusk, there was a spectacular view out to sea - including, in the distance, the volcanic island of Stromboli lighting up the sky with its eruptions. I was sitting opposite an elderly retired professor, who told me a great deal about the history of area and of the railway. By the time we had snaked down the other side to Castiglione Cosentino, night had fallen and we had a comparatively fast run along the final level stretch into the old Cosenza Citta' station, which is now only served by the FC narrow gauge line. When the tunnel opened, the new Cosenza station, 3 Km North of the city centre, opened concurrently and - as you rightly say - it has far too many platforms for the small number of trains that use it. I think there may have been some local politics/backhanders involved, in the usual Southern Italian tradition! IIRC,the old rack line, was the last standard gauge line in Italy to have regular timetabled steam passenger workings, with the through sleeping cars to and from Rome being worked over the mountain by one of the five or six Swiss-built class 980 and 981 rack-and-pinion 0-6-0 tank locos. If your couchette or sleeping berth was facing the wrong way, it must have been quite difficult to stay in bed going up and down those gradients! Most of those steam locos have been preserved - there's one in the Italian National Railway museum near Naples - and ever since the closure of the rack line there have been tentative plans to preserve the short section between Castiglione Cosentino and Rende as a working tourist attraction. However - as is the way with such things in Italy - it all seems to have become mired in politics and corruption and it seems, very sadly, unlikely to happen now.
 

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Thank you very much!

Oh wow, that does sound quite the experience, I'm very jealous! That's some fascinating information! The thought of a rack and pinion steam railway providing through sleeper carriages to Rome is mind-boggling- but it sounds awesome! I wish I could have experienced some of those things!
 

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And that ended my travels in Italy on this holiday.
A thoroughly enjoyable read with some great pics. your trip was full of interest.
My knowledge of the area is limited to 2 northbound trips from Catania (1990) and Taormina (1997) respectively both on the then Turin sleeper (still daylight for several hours up the shin of Italy) and one southbound Turin to Taormina (also 1997 arriving Villa San Giovani a bit after sunrise), plus a couple of visits to Messina on Cruises, including one sail past quite close in to Stromboli).
 

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Thank you! I bet your trips were more fun back in those days?!

I’m not a massive fan of Messina in all honesty, but the rest of Sicily is fantastic. I would recommend a trip to Syracuse if you ever get the opportunity!

Stromboli always looks nice; you can see it from the mountains in Calabria- I keep meaning to do a boat tour to see it up close.


A thoroughly enjoyable read with some great pics. your trip was full of interest.
My knowledge of the area is limited to 2 northbound trips from Catania (1990) and Taormina (1997) respectively both on the then Turin sleeper (still daylight for several hours up the shin of Italy) and one southbound Turin to Taormina (also 1997 arriving Villa San Giovani a bit after sunrise), plus a couple of visits to Messina on Cruises, including one sail past quite close in to Stromboli).
 

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Thank you! I bet your trips were more fun back in those days?!

I’m not a massive fan of Messina in all honesty, but the rest of Sicily is fantastic. I would recommend a trip to Syracuse if you ever get the opportunity!

Stromboli always looks nice; you can see it from the mountains in Calabria- I keep meaning to do a boat tour to see it up close.
Fully agree re Messina, and on our second visit there we took ourselves to Taormina (by pre booked Taxi which not only was cheaper than the ship's excursion but gave us longer there to revisit old haunts). We visited Syracuse whilst on our Taormina holiday, and another day took an excursion to Etna, being suitably impressed when the guide took us close to a flimsy fence perhaps 1000 feet short of the top and told us it was not safe to go beyond that point as we marvelled at the clearly visible lumps of ash being thrown into the air from the crater. Yes, Sicily is a wonderful and fasciinating island to visit.
 

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I’m not a massive fan of Messina in all honesty, but the rest of Sicily is fantastic.
Fully agree re Messina,
In fairness to Messina, it has been almost totally destroyed and then rebuilt twice in the past 115 years....firstly by the massive earthquake in 1908, which also destroyed Reggio di Calabria across the water and killed more than 40,000 people - and secondly, by Allied bombardment in 1943 during the invasion of Italy. In its favour, it does have an interesting modern tramway system - albeit with only one route, which is currently the only one in Sicily. It also has the biggest locomotive depot and workshops on the island.
 

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