Is this fair?

[WestCoast]

You'll be aware then that all the fuss about people not being able to understand alternative methods to "First Past the Post" is arrant nonsense.

We up here have a different system for just about every poll yet seem to cope ok.

That would be the Additional Member System (AMS) used for elections to the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly and the Greater London Assembly. A form of it is used for elections in Germany and New Zealand. Well, it's not that difficult a system to understand, and does have a track record.

I'm an AS politics student and my teacher is brilliant in that he has his views, we all have ours and we all can talk sensibly about them. Although he doesn't call the Deputy PM Clegg, he refers to him as the liar!

My teacher is fairly neutral to be honest, although he doesn't speak too highly of Brown when asked for his opinion.

As I mentioned earlier, the A2 part of the course is less related to UK party politics and deals more with the philosophical approaches.

Well teachers are supposed to teach fact

It would be completely mundane in certain subjects and would downgrade the teaching, so much of politics is opinion and there is rarely a straightforward "right or wrong" answer away from the core processes.

 

[SS4]

You'll be aware then that all the fuss about people not being able to understand alternative methods to "First Past the Post" is arrant nonsense.

Scotland is looking more and more attractive by the day...

There are many of us South of the border who think first past the post is anachronistic, just not enough of us :cry:

 

[Butts]

Scotland is looking more and more attractive by the day...

There are many of us South of the border who think first past the post is anachronistic, just not enough of us :cry:

Well the Conservative Party would actually get more than their current one seat in the Westminster Parliament under a PR system.

In fact they would be third after Labour and the SNP up here.

 

[es373]

They can say what they like..... Although it is very unprofessional if on duty.

 

[HST Power]

Teachers can have their views. It would probably do children some good to hear them nowadays, in an age where followers of politics are looked upon as boring old saddos in suits and ties. Politics if life, life is politics. What happens today happened because of something that was debated, voted on or discussed in Westminster, through some form or another it was politics!

 

[43021HST]

Teachers can have their views. It would probably do children some good to hear them nowadays, in an age where followers of politics are looked upon as boring old saddos in suits and ties. Politics if life, life is politics. What happens today happened because of something that was debated, voted on or discussed in Westminster, through some form or another it was politics!

Hear hear, I was looking foward to doing politics in sixth form, than it had to be cancelled due to the fact that the numbers were so low and the teacher fell ill.

In one sociology lesson I realised how ignorant some people are to politics, some of the students in my class barely now what party is in power and what the stand for. Inside my head I was screaming, "you thick and ignorant fools you have to take notice of politics if you're doing Sociology.

One day the sociology teacher had a political rant; it was like ranting at a bunch gormless goldfish.

I think the problem is now that people take less notice of politics because its too fusty compared to 'showbiz';people tend to look upon being knowledgable at politics as being elitist. But the very same people whine when something they dont like happens.

 

[HST Power]

I think the problem is now that people take less notice of politics because its too fusty compared to 'showbiz';people tend to look upon being knowledgable at politics as being elitist. But the very same people whine when something they dont like happens.

Just like the London rioters. The BBC interviewed two girls who said they were rioting because of the Government. 'Is it the Conservatives in power?' they asked the reporter.

Complete and utter pair of gourmless idiots. They wouldn't know true politics if it slapped them in the face!

 

[Butts]

Hear hear, I was looking foward to doing politics in sixth form, than it had to be cancelled due to the fact that the numbers were so low and the teacher fell ill.

In one sociology lesson I realised how ignorant some people are to politics, some of the students in my class barely now what party is in power and what the stand for. Inside my head I was screaming, "you thick and ignorant fools you have to take notice of politics if you're doing Sociology.

One day the sociology teacher had a political rant; it was like ranting at a bunch gormless goldfish.

I think the problem is now that people take less notice of politics because its too fusty compared to 'showbiz';people tend to look upon being knowledgable at politics as being elitist. But the very same people whine when something they dont like happens.

Quite frightening that these people have actually got a vote

 

[HST Power]

Quite frightening that these people have actually got a vote

I imagine they'd be to busy with 'other' more testifying things to bother getting out of bed and going to vote.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

I would like to put a different slant on this if I may.

What if a politics teacher openly demonstrated hatred for a political party / politician? For example, what if they said...

'I hate UKIP, I'm upset that Nigel Farage didn't die in that plane crash.'

Is that OK?

EDIT - That is not a poor example, it has actually happened to some of us!

 

[SS4]

I would like to put a different slant on this if I may.

What if a politics teacher openly demonstrated hatred for a political party / politician? For example, what if they said...

'I hate UKIP, I'm upset that Nigel Farage didn't die in that plane crash.'

Is that OK?

As long as it is made clear that it is their opinion and not fact I see no problem with it. Your example is quite extreme, being upset that someone did not die (the implication being that it would be nice to see him die). Hating UKIP for their policies or their leader's qualities is fair game IMO

"I hate the liberal democrats due to their u turn over tuition fees"

 

[Butts]

As long as it is made clear that it is their opinion and not fact I see no problem with it. Your example is quite extreme, being upset that someone did not die (the implication being that it would be nice to see him die). Hating UKIP for their policies or their leader's qualities is fair game IMO

"I hate the liberal democrats due to their u turn over tuition fees"

Coalition Government is all about compromise - would you advocate the Liberal Democrats withdraw or refuse to participate in a Coalition at the expense of one policy or commitment.

Politics is about being pragmatic - the LD's have been castigated for this tuition fees saga - other parties have been equally quick to u-turn on various measures.

Perhaps most pertinent to this site was Labour giving an undertaking to renationalise the Railway if elected yet conveniently reneging on this issue when elected.

 

[SS4]

Coalition Government is all about compromise - would you advocate the Liberal Democrats withdraw or refuse to participate in a Coalition at the expense of one policy or commitment.

Politics is about being pragmatic - the LD's have been castigated for this tuition fees saga - other parties have been equally quick to u-turn on various measures.

Perhaps most pertinent to this site was Labour giving an undertaking to renationalise the Railway if elected yet conveniently reneging on this issue when elected.

I was using it as an example as to why someone may hate a party. Nothing more, nothing less

 

[Yew]

Personally I think that if a party promises something in its manifesto, yet when in power it does not undertake reasonable attempts to do it, then their leader should be imprisoned.

Of course, reasonable attempt could range from bringing somethign to the house, to conducting a feasibility study

 

[SS4]

Personally I think that if a party promises something in its manifesto, yet when in power it does not undertake reasonable attempts to do it, then their leader should be imprisoned.

Of course, reasonable attempt could range from bringing somethign to the house, to conducting a feasibility study

"Reasonable" is too vague though. I would like to see some more accountability although it's never going to happen while safe seats exist which in turn won't be abolished until FPTP goes

 

[Butts]

I was using it as an example as to why someone may hate a party. Nothing more, nothing less

Fair enough - the important thing is that people understand the reason for the change. Let's face it no one is voluntarily going to subject themselves to the abuse the LD's have received without what in their eyes is a good reason.
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Personally I think that if a party promises something in its manifesto, yet when in power it does not undertake reasonable attempts to do it, then their leader should be imprisoned.

Of course, reasonable attempt could range from bringing somethign to the house, to conducting a feasibility study

Crikey there wouldn't be a prison big enough - they'd all be banged up