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Does anyone have an iota of a clue to when the bidders for West Coast will be announced? Any idea's who the bidders are infact?

Usually after a consultation ends it's roughly between 4-6 weeks for the bidders to be stated by the DfT so I guess were all expecting something within the coming days...

Will the Brexit vote delay everything though?
 
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ITT was scheduled for November: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...e/523791/may-2016-rail-franchise-schedule.pdf but DfT seem to be running around 2 months behind that schedule at the moment - Anglia's only just been awarded and the ITT for the Midlands franchise hasn't been released.

It's likely for a big franchise like West Coast the shortlist will consist of only 'franchise passport holders' either as sole bidders or teamed up e.g. Virgin & Stagecoach: http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/...g-11-recipients-of-franchising-passports.html
 

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Things seem to be running late.
The West Coast refranchising was originally put back so that South Western procurement could get going.
I could be wrong, but I don't think the DfT has asked for expressions of interest yet from the "passport holders".
Maybe the late award of East Anglia has knocked things back a bit.

West Coast is behind West Midlands (related of course). The ITT for WM was due out in July, so that's the one to look out for first.
Maybe there will be some progress now they're all back from hols and the new ministers have got themselves organised.
 

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Expect the ITT for WM shortly.

At a guess I'd say January for ICWC. I suspect that it won't get too many bidders outside VT and First.
 

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I'd say the first priority for DfT is the XC direct award, they only have a month to sort that out (not that I'm expecting that to change anything).
 

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Hardly matters really. Whoever gives the best service surely but that could be anyone.
 

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I am unfamiliar with that term - could you explain it to me please?

Bidders who don't have to go through pre-qualification. I.e. the DfT have already vetted them as being suitable to bid on franchises. So it should be cheaper for the bidder and simpler for the DfT.
 

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Rather than pre-qualifying for each franchise individually (with lots of paperwork setting out who your staff are, their experience and your financial stability) they have recently set up a new system where you do it once and then receive a 'passport' that allows you to bid on all the franchises. When your bidding on the new franchises you only have to complete sections A-C again and sign a declaration there has been no change in sections D and E. The passport will last 4 years with an extension at the Dft's discretion.
 
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Will be a "marking time" franchise anticipating HS2 opening, which will change everything.

This. You may as well just leave it with Virgin as after that the WCML franchise will be considered small fry to the big fish of HS2.
 

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This. You may as well just leave it with Virgin as after that the WCML franchise will be considered small fry to the big fish of HS2.

That would be right up their street. Given the absolute mess HS2 are already in over possession strategy, VT would probably love to sit back and roll in the compensation. Again.
 

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Virgin will win this one, since they will deliver the best bid possible.

If anyone else makes a better bid, it's simply not possible.

That will be the attitude the Bearded one will take.
 
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I beg they'll get a move on once the Commons comes back from Recess next Monday - wouldn't be surprised if ITT is just before/after Christmas with bidders announced late Sep/Early Oct.

I personally hope Virgin will retain it, but the DfT like to spring a surprise sometimes - have a feeling they'll be 3 bidders - VT & First will be the big two, but I have a strange feeling that TrenItalia will be the other...

Don't know why, but with VT & FG running 4 of the biggest lines between them, maybe they will have had enough of around 21 years (when the franchise ends) of VTWC and look to a new company entirely.

I suppose though they'll be able to bring some of their excellent looking Pendolino's they run in Italy over here - if in any circumstance they upset the odds... :p
 
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That would be right up their street. Given the absolute mess HS2 are already in over possession strategy, VT would probably love to sit back and roll in the compensation. Again.

That is the very thing thats changing it though isnt it. Watford on a bigger scale.
 

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Whoever makes the best bid. :roll:

What's with the attitude? It's a fair comment but I was wondering if anyone has any preferences and the emoji wasn't necessarily. If you don't like my comment then why bother replying? :roll:


It will be interesting to see what the bidders offer. Ideally, bi-mode stock would be sought for North Wales, Blackpool and Shrewsbury services but this would have to be 125mph and have tilting capabilities. There's also the issue of classic compatible HS2 stock being used on the wcml and whether or not it will be 125mph and tilt capable.

There's also the unlikely possibility of the XC 221s eventually going to West Coast, with Crosscountry getting bi mode stock to replace them.
 
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Virgin are generally a competent operator and I hope they retain it.

For non-enthusiasts the Virgin Brand also beings a touch of glamour to the railway - don't under estimate the strength of the Brand and the goodwill that comes with it.
 

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All of my experiences with Virgin over the past couple of years, save for an East Coast trip two weeks ago which was no more than average, have been wholly negative and very much style over substance.
 

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All of my experiences with Virgin over the past couple of years, save for an East Coast trip two weeks ago which was no more than average, have been wholly negative and very much style over substance.
As a counterpoint I can't say that I've had any bad experiences with either VTWC or VTEC in the last couple of years - at least none that stick in my mind.
 

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My issues don't just relate to on-board, generally the lack of any kind of sensible revenue protection (barriers open everywhere and staff regularly not getting through the whole train) surly staff who won't kick people out of my reserved seats, extremely poor ticker machines, and generally a superiority complex where staff are drowning in the companies own hype.

On two occasions I saw one staff member reprimanding another one for using the word "Voyager" instead of "Virgin Super Voyager" and the other occasion for someone saying the "Virgin Trains Service" rather than the "9 Car Virgin Pendolino Service, there's no need for that guff on the departure boards or pointless bragging crap, it gives the impression to many people of a company who are obsessed in self image.
 

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My issues don't just relate to on-board, generally the lack of any kind of sensible revenue protection (barriers open everywhere and staff regularly not getting through the whole train)....
I've travelled on seven VTEC/VTWC services in the last month and only once was my ticket not checked. I don't know if your or my experience is typical.
On two occasions I saw one staff member reprimanding another one for using the word "Voyager" instead of "Virgin Super Voyager" and the other occasion for someone saying the "Virgin Trains Service" rather than the "9 Car Virgin Pendolino Service, there's no need for that guff on the departure boards...
Given than not all Pendolios are 11 carriages the 'guff' also carried useful information.
 

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It depends where you are, I was on a train that came from Scotland where I got on at Birmingham New Street to London three times and I've even had a train manager make a call and say she didn't get through the whole train, go into her office which I was sitting next to since it was the only seat free since someone was sitting in my own seats that I reserved, and heard her phone her kids for the last ten minutes rather than check peoples tickets.

That's before you take into account the train managers who don't seem bothered about kicking people out of seats they shouldn't be in. I booked a table seat to work, a woman has bags on one seat, and sits on the other which is mine and refuses to move and tells me to use the non table seat which is not possible because she needs more room for her bags. Virgin Trains staff member: "We're not paid to get involved in conflicts like this, there is a spare seat, take it." twice I had something like that happen.

Every time I have gone through Kings Cross I have never seen the barriers closed recently the same at Birmingham Airport and also many other stations, booking the quiet carriage is useless since it's never enforced and guards are happy to go past and let kids scream and even start saying hello to the kids, but not kicking them out of a quiet carriage, no doubt because that they again want to avoid conflict and not start an argument.

The problem isn't the car length. It's the incessant un-necessary chatter and guff about having to use the words "Virgin 9 Car Pendolino" or "Virgin Super Voyager" and what seems to be a ban on their staff just calling it a "Virgin Trains" or "Formed of 9 Coaches" one staff member berating another because they say that is quite frankly silly and portrays the company as arrogant, there is no need for it, when people go on about pointless announcements, these are them. What made me laugh the most is the staff are happy to berate each other for not using correct terminology, but the same staff members couldn't be any less helpful about dealing with unruly passengers in a quiet carriage or passengers who are denied the seat they booked.

The majority of the ticket machines at most of their stations are poor - I was at Birmingham Airport a few months back and it was funny to see the number of tourists who were unable to use the card machines because their cards were rejected, according to the staff member as a security measure. I mean who'd have thought it? Foreigners might want to buy tickets at an airport station, best block that, because obviously that is going to be fraud.

The East Coast staff though may well not be a Virgin problem, I found a lot of issues with them when they were ran by DOR as well, the strange thing is though in all my years of travel, the only staff I've had a problem with is on the East Coast (DOR and VTEC) and the West Coast (VTWC), the rest of the staff have done an amazing job through the years on what must be thousands of trips.
 
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Network Rail manage the station.

I'm aware that Network Rail manager the station, but surely Virgin have some control over the barriers on the platform leading to their services? The thing is I see this practice at a lot of stations. I do not see it at New Street however, but then again there are many many different TOC's using that. and the gates serve all platforms not just a few.
 

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It's the incessant un-necessary chatter and guff about having to use the words "Virgin 9 Car Pendolino" or "Virgin Super Voyager" and what seems to be a ban on their staff just calling it a "Virgin Trains" or "Formed of 9 Coaches"
If that's the branding, that's the branding. I have to use my company's names for things even though there are perfectly correct generic terms that could be used instead.
I was at Birmingham Airport a few months back and it was funny to see the number of tourists who were unable to use the card machines because their cards were rejected, according to the staff member as a security measure. I mean who'd have thought it? Foreigners might want to buy tickets at an airport station, best block that, because obviously that is going to be fraud.
Actually, Virgin may well have nothing to do with this - many foreign cards (particularly from the US) don't have chip and PIN set up correctly. There's a lot of card swiping still happening. If the card doesn't have a working chip there isn't much Virgin can do about it.
 
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