Improving XC services to Anglia

[ChrisCooper]

Not a lot of thought to the financial implications is there mate. Just join up stations to make a pretty line on the map.

Basically like many open access ideas then.

 

[Bellwater]

I'd also extend the existing Leicester-Birmingham stopper through to Peterborough & Wolverhampton, giving something like

Stamford
Ketton
Oakham
Melton Mowbray
Syston
Leicester
South Wigston
Narborough
Hinckley
Nuneaton
Coleshill Parkway
Birmingham New Street
Smethwick Rolfe Street
Smethwick Galton Bridge
Sandwell & Dudley
Wolverhampton

No Station at Ketton.

 

[sidmouth]

Interesting that the journey planner app routes Norwich to Liverpool via London, and Peterborough Liverpool either via Nuneaton and Stafford or via York. Ie it appeares there is little demand to use EMT for such through journeys. Therefore why plan any more cross country through services?

 

[SS4]

Interesting that the journey planner app routes Norwich to Liverpool via London, and Peterborough Liverpool either via Nuneaton and Stafford or via York. Ie it appeares there is little demand to use EMT for such through journeys. Therefore why plan any more cross country through services?

Perhaps people want to use split tickets without any hassle?

 

[TheBigD]

Not planned, merely aspired to. But no one wants to pay for the 2nd tunnel under the runway, as 7 tph each way on a single line is stretching it a bit.

Since the December timetable change there are only 5 per hour each way (4 LST, 1 BHM). The former all shacks service now starts/terminates at Bishops Stortford.

 

[tbtc]

Interesting that the journey planner app routes Norwich to Liverpool via London, and Peterborough Liverpool either via Nuneaton and Stafford or via York. Ie it appeares there is little demand to use EMT for such through journeys. Therefore why plan any more cross country through services?

I think that'll be because its quicker to go via London (than sit on a 158 for several hours).

This is an issue for those wanting an "east - west" link like Oxford - Cambridge - the direct link may still be slower than going via London (and allowing time to change there)
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These threads make me laugh!

I was going to suggest Droitwich - Knutsford via the Swansea District Line, but that may be a step too far

 

[Class172]

I was going to suggest Droitwich - Knutsford via the Swansea District Line, but that may be a step too far

Nah... What be the point!?

 

[HSTEd]

Interesting that the journey planner app routes Norwich to Liverpool via London, and Peterborough Liverpool either via Nuneaton and Stafford or via York. Ie it appeares there is little demand to use EMT for such through journeys. Therefore why plan any more cross country through services?

Norwich Liverpool being an insanely slow, single class affair that is always packed in the middle might have something to do with it

Can't put anything that ain't SP on it until major work is done on the Breckland line unfortunately, otherwise we could use displaced ED 220s so they could run at 125mph on the main line sections.

 

[spaceman]

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I'd also extend the existing Leicester-Birmingham stopper through to Peterborough & Wolverhampton, giving something like

Stamford
Ketton
Oakham
Melton Mowbray
Syston
Leicester
South Wigston
Narborough
Hinckley
Nuneaton
Coleshill Parkway
Birmingham New Street
...

What are the chances of getting anyone to listen to the Leicester-Birmingham stopper idea? An additional stop at Syston for example (which desperately needs more than 1tph towards LEI) would be a brilliant idea especially in the morning/evening. I would also imagine good usage/commuter travel towards Melton/Oakham as an alternative to the 40+ minute bus journey from Syston/South Charnwood area.

 

[Flywaver]

Exactly where we where back in 1993. All came down to crew knowledge & the need for Norwich crews to sign Leic-Brum, Cambridge crews to sign Pbo-Nott & Brum crews to sign Ely-Nrw.

We already sign Peterborough-Nottingham at Cambridge..
It's our diversionary route.
We are being diverted end of the month for some weekends

 

[Flywaver]

Has anybody taken into account that all these proposed paths have been taken by the Freight...

 

[MCR247]

Has anybody taken into account that all these proposed paths have been taken by the Freight...

Doubt it, as these threads are more like lets find two places and suggest a rail service between them..

 

[156402]

While the NE-SW and NW-South corridor have very good connections, Anglia is one of the worst served areas in terms of long distance trains to the rest of the country, with only the Norwich-Liverpool (often cut short at Nottingham) and the Stansted-Birmingham trains really being 'interregional', London trains aside.

As such, what would be thoughts for two new services operating out of the region.

Firstly, Harwich Town-Blackpool(EMT) running:

Harwich Town
Harwich International
Ipswich
Stowmarket
Bury St Edmunds
Ely
Peterborough
Grantham
Nottingham
Langley Mill
Alfreton
Chesterfield
Sheffield
Manchester Piccadilly
Manchester Oxford Road
Bolton
Preston
Poulton le Fylde
Blackpool

and secondly

Norwich-Shrewsbury, running

Norwich
Wymondham
Thetford
Ely
Peterborough
Stamford
Oakham
Melton Mowbray
Leicester
Nuneaton
Birmingham New Street
Sandwell & Dudley
Wolverhampton
Telford
Shrewsbury

Under BR (Provincial) we had the following when the 156's were introduced:

Harwich International to Liverpool Lime Street
Colchester to Barrow In Furness
Lowestoft to Blackpool North (Sundays only)

The above were in addition to the regular Birmingham's and Liverpool's!

 

[Eagle]

Doubt it, as these threads are more like lets find two places and suggest a rail service between them..

To be fair, that was also the approach that seemed to have been taken by RR and CT... :P

 

[dk1]

Doubt it, as these threads are more like lets find two places and suggest a rail service between them..

 

[Waverley125]

I'd suggest there's easily enough paths for at least the 2nd hourly Peterborough-Birmingham service, which would be just a 2nd path Leicester-Peterborough, as an extension of the existing half-hourly New Street-Leicester service.

 

[dk1]

I'd suggest there's easily enough paths for at least the 2nd hourly Peterborough-Birmingham service, which would be just a 2nd path Leicester-Peterborough, as an extension of the existing half-hourly New Street-Leicester service.

Isnt that the in XCs plan to extend the Leicester terminators throught to Cambridge then make the Stansted main stations only?

 

[Batman]

If I remeber correctly, in early Central Trains days (late 90's/early 00's), there used to be a two hourly Cardiff - Cleethorps trains with the following calling pattern:

Cardiff Central
Newport
Chepstow
Lydney
Gloucester
Cheltenham Spa
Ashchurch for Tewksbury
Worcester Shrub Hill
Droitwich Spa
Bromsgrove
Birmingham New Street
Tamworth
Burton
Derby
Long Eaton
Beeston
Nottingham
Newark Northgate
Lincoln
Market Rasen
Barnetby
Grimsby Town
Cleethorpes

And wasn't there also an hourly Shrewsbury - Leicester service as well?

And if I remeber correctly there were also a few trains from Skegness that left the line to Manchester Airport (it's then terminus, possibly leaving some two hour gaps between Derby and Stoke) and ran via Louborough and Leicester to Nuneaton where it reversed and terminated at Coventry?

The problem with those services is that they were very unreliable and it wasn't untill the mid 00's that Central realised that most people who used those services started or finished their journeys at New Street, so having services that connected with eachother on either side of new street was totaly pointless.

 

[dk1]

Also hourly Liverpool Lime Street to Stansted Airport via Brum!!

 

[Philip Elliott]

Isnt that the in XCs plan to extend the Leicester terminators throught to Cambridge then make the Stansted main stations only?

XC were looking at a 2-hourly extension of the Leicester terminators to Peterborough but the units required are needed for peak strengthening. Whilst a direct link from Hinckley/Narborough to Melton/Oakham/Stamford/Peterborough would be nice, a far better use would be to reinstate through running to Nottingham.

 

[ivanhoe]

Extend the Leicester stopper to Lincoln every two hours or so or just extend to Peterborough. No need to go beyond Peterborough, in my opinion. Plenty of opportunities available from Posh