If you could choose one open access service what would it be ?

[sonic2009]

if you could choose an open access service, what would it be, from where and where would it go. ideas welcome.

 

[OMGitsDAVE]

If possible, I would most likely do Glasgow Central - Middlesbrough via Edinburgh Haymarket, Waverley, Newcastle, Sunderland, Hartlepool, Stockton, Thornaby & Middlesbrough - therefore adding a northbound express service rather than a Southbound to London.

 

[Daimler]

I rather liked the Glasgow Trains idea - running from Glasgow down the S&C and then to Nottingham/Liverpool (if I remember rightly - I'm not sure about the S&C bit). Would have been an interesting route and would have restored intercity connections that can't be done today!

What happened to Glasgow Trains, anyway? Has the idea been rejected?

 

[sonic2009]

this is the entry of wikipedia. say's glasgow are prospective!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Trains

 

[37401]

Paddington-Blackpool with 57`s and 37`s my lordz!, Mk2e`s and earlyer no-coffin Mk2`s for the 37 sets, it would run Non-stop paddington- Birmingham then calls at Crewe Preston and Blackpool, Would have a grid set too

 

[sonic2009]

Paddington-Blackpool with 57`s and 37`s my lordz!, Mk2e`s and earlyer no-coffin Mk2`s for the 37 sets, it would run Non-stop paddington- Birmingham then calls at Crewe Preston and Blackpool, Would have a grid set too

paddington via greenford, high wycombe and banbury or
paddington via reading, oxford

 

[jopsuk]

Realistically, if you were planning to run express along any mainlines you'd need 125mph stock to be allowed access and with all the HSTs, 22xs and 180s spoken for, you'd need new build.

You'd certainly not get far in your application if you wanted to use 37s and non-aircon mrk2s!

 

[sonic2009]

Realistically, if you were planning to run express along any mainlines you'd need 125mph stock to be allowed access and with all the HSTs, 22xs and 180s spoken for, you'd need new build.

You'd certainly not get far in your application if you wanted to use 37s and non-aircon mrk2s!

that's what i was thinking, that's why hull trains had to get 180's for east coast instead of 222's.

 

[jopsuk]

Thought Hull getting the 180s was so EMT could have all the 222s in one place and to let them expand their fleet whilst letting Hull remain a single-class fleet? Both are 125mph classes.

It is, though, part of why Hull had to replace the 170s with the 222s.

 

[sonic2009]

Thought Hull getting the 180s was so EMT could have all the 222s in one place and to let them expand their fleet whilst letting Hull remain a single-class fleet? Both are 125mph classes.

It is, though, part of why Hull had to replace the 170s with the 222s.

sorry 5cars are minimum on east coast, that's what i was told by first hull trains staff.

 

[90019]

sorry 5cars are minimum on east coast, that's what i was told by first hull trains staff.

What about all the 4 car units running on the ECML then :?

 

[sonic2009]

What about all the 4 car units running on the ECML then :?

i think's it 5 car on express services, not first capital connect.

 

[Pumbaa]

i think's it 5 car on express services, not first capital connect.

So that'll be the bulk of XC services running up and down the ECML then?

What a load of drivel.
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Thought Hull getting the 180s was so EMT could have all the 222s in one place and to let them expand their fleet whilst letting Hull remain a single-class fleet? Both are 125mph classes.

It is, though, part of why Hull had to replace the 170s with the 222s.

On the other hand, this is not drivel. This is correct Sonic, take note.

 

[Lampshade]

Can this involve the hypothetical reopening of a line?

 

[The Planner]

Liverpool to Penzance, via Chester, Crewe, Shrewsbury, Hereford, Newport, Bristol, Weston Super Mud, Taunton, Plymouth etc... avoids New St and changes for the vast majority of people, much ching would be made....

 

[Aictos]

Newcastle to Great Yarmouth via Lincoln calling at York, Doncaster, Lincoln, Spalding, Peterborough, March, Ely, Norwich, Great Yarmouth.

Using whatever stock is available, probably using a setup similar to the WSMR trains.

 

[route:oxford]

Oxford, Lakes & Highland Trains

Running a 3xdaily between Perth & Oxford. Services running southbound at 07:00, 12.00, 17:00 - a typical timetable would be as follows.

07:00 Perth
07:17 Gleneagles
07:29 Dunblane
07:35 Stirling
07:43 Larbert
07:58 Lenzie
08:11 Glasgow Queen Street (a)
08:20 Glasgow Queen Street (d)
08:50 Motherwell
09:44 Carlisle
10:20 Oxenholme Lake District
10:55 Lancaster
11:13 Preston
11:36 Warrington
12:24 Wolverhampton
12:40 Birmingham New Street
13:10 Leamington Spa
13:27 Banbury
13:47 Oxford

Service to be operated by new build 7 car class 223 tilting units with dual power to take advantage of the wires between Motherwell and Birmingham New Street. 140mph capable under wires, 100mph under Diesel power.

Timetable created by working in partnership with local incumbant service operators. Eg Sub-letting/revenue sharing early morning service from Perth to Glasgow Queen Street from First-Scotrail thus potentially releasing a 3 car set to strengthen other services.

17:00 Service from Perth would offer a new late evening service southbound from Birmingham to Oxford at 22:40.

 

[jopsuk]

How does the train cross Glasgow?

 

[Kingfisher200262]

Oxford, Lakes & Highland Trains

Running a 3xdaily between Perth & Oxford. Services running southbound at 07:00, 12.00, 17:00 - a typical timetable would be as follows.

07:00 Perth
07:17 Gleneagles
07:29 Dunblane
07:35 Stirling
07:43 Larbert
07:58 Lenzie
08:11 Glasgow Queen Street (a)
08:20 Glasgow Queen Street (d)
08:50 Motherwell
09:44 Carlisle
10:20 Oxenholme Lake District
10:55 Lancaster
11:13 Preston
11:36 Warrington
12:24 Wolverhampton
12:40 Birmingham New Street
13:10 Leamington Spa
13:27 Banbury
13:47 Oxford

Service to be operated by new build 7 car class 223 tilting units with dual power to take advantage of the wires between Motherwell and Birmingham New Street. 140mph capable under wires, 100mph under Diesel power.

Timetable created by working in partnership with local incumbant service operators. Eg Sub-letting/revenue sharing early morning service from Perth to Glasgow Queen Street from First-Scotrail thus potentially releasing a 3 car set to strengthen other services.

17:00 Service from Perth would offer a new late evening service southbound from Birmingham to Oxford at 22:40.

This all sounds very interesting, especially the path sharing bit. Presumably you'd do something similar with EMT to get through the Birmingham bottlenecks?

Not sure about Class 223, which is a diesel electric multiple unit nomenclature. I think with a hybrid, it would either be a Class 7x locomotive and coaches or maybe a Class 6xx multiple unit?

 

[networkrail1]

well my idea isnt an open line but if i had the cash and backing it would have to be the following.

Cromer/Sheringham - March/Edinburgh

Intimediate services consisting of 156/158/222.

Calling at the following points.

Cromer (services start and terminate here)
West runton
Sheringham
Weybourne
Newgate
Wells-next-to-sea
Hunstanton
Heacham
Snettisham
Dersingham
Kings lynn
Wisbech
March (services start and terminate here)

High speed services would consist of 43/222/91/90.

Cromer (services start and terminate here)
Hunstanton
Kings lynn
March (start of drag useing deisel to PBO for electrics)
Peterborough (End of drag useing deisel to PBO for electrics)
Newark
Doncaster
York
Newcastle
Edinburgh (services start and terminate here)

I dont think i will ever get the funding to realise my dream so i guess it will allways be a dream.

 

[LilLoaf]

I think coastal connect has a good chance.

See here - http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=25253&highlight=LilLoaf

Times need ironing out a bit like.

 

[Multiple Unit]

Hooton-Helsby-Warrington Bank Quay-Crewe-Derby-Via Loughborugh in to Nottingham & Skegness (Summer Saturdays Only).

 

[sonic2009]

Oxford, Lakes & Highland Trains

Running a 3xdaily between Perth & Oxford. Services running southbound at 07:00, 12.00, 17:00 - a typical timetable would be as follows.

07:00 Perth
07:17 Gleneagles
07:29 Dunblane
07:35 Stirling
07:43 Larbert
07:58 Lenzie
08:11 Glasgow Queen Street (a)
08:20 Glasgow Queen Street (d)
08:50 Motherwell
09:44 Carlisle
10:20 Oxenholme Lake District
10:55 Lancaster
11:13 Preston
11:36 Warrington
12:24 Wolverhampton
12:40 Birmingham New Street
13:10 Leamington Spa
13:27 Banbury
13:47 Oxford

Service to be operated by new build 7 car class 223 tilting units with dual power to take advantage of the wires between Motherwell and Birmingham New Street. 140mph capable under wires, 100mph under Diesel power.

Timetable created by working in partnership with local incumbant service operators. Eg Sub-letting/revenue sharing early morning service from Perth to Glasgow Queen Street from First-Scotrail thus potentially releasing a 3 car set to strengthen other services.

17:00 Service from Perth would offer a new late evening service southbound from Birmingham to Oxford at 22:40.

yes how does this train cross glasgow, because you can't get to motherwell from glasgow queen street. i think
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this would be a great service, going from east coast, to north wales coast, trains would be class 158 x 2 or 2 Class 57, Mk3 Coaching Stock x 4.

Service would run on summer weekends with 3 trip's on saturday, and 2 trips on sunday.

Typical Times.

Skegness 0900
Wainfleet 0908
Boston 0945
Heckington 0959
Sleaford 1007
Grantham arr 1035 dep 1040
Nottingham arr 1118 dep 1125
Langley Mill 1142
Alfreton 1148
Chesterfield 1158

then route via dore curve, avoiding sheffield

Chinley 1218
Stockport arr 1238 dep 1245

reversing to go via navigation road and altrincham to chester

Chester arr 1340 dep 1345
Flint 1400
Prestatyn 1415
Rhyl 1421
Colwyn Bay 1435
Lladundo Junction 1442
Bangor 1502
Holyhead 1527

 

[jopsuk]

Would there be a profitable demand though, or are you just after the sort of thing that's beytter served by enthuiast "line basher" specials?
I don't think an OA company could survive doing just summer weekend afternoons. That's Charter territory.

 

[sonic2009]

Would there be a profitable demand though, or are you just after the sort of thing that's beytter served by enthuiast "line basher" specials?
I don't think an OA company could survive doing just summer weekend afternoons. That's Charter territory.

it wouldn't be a company, it be a charter run in partnership with emt and arriva,

 

[mrcheek]

Weston Super Mud,

how dare you?

oh wait....

 

[CarterUSM]

Sonic could cross glasgow by using the union and city line but it would involve changing ends twice, probably at shields junction and bridge st junction which would impact heavily on his advertised time, you'd be looking at 30 minutes minimum, probably more. I think what is meant though, is by going via springburn and stepps, gartcosh junction, gartsherrie south junction and straight to motherwell passing through coatbridge central, whifflet and mossend yard.

 

[37401]

paddington via greenford, high wycombe and banbury or
paddington via reading, oxford

reading and oxford of couse much much faster

 

[route:oxford]

I think what is meant though, is by going via springburn and stepps, gartcosh junction, gartsherrie south junction and straight to motherwell passing through coatbridge central, whifflet and mossend yard.

I'm glad you came up with that option, because have to admit that I misunderstood the routes available around Glasgow. Hopefully it won't upset the timings too much.

So yes, that's the way it would go. Switching to the overhead juice at Motherwell.

Went for class 223 for dual powered, as I suspect by default with the planned introduction of the pantograph coach on the existing 220or221s the 220-229 range will be allocated to dual-powered multiple units.

Would "my" 7 car 223 fit in Glasgow Queen Street at present? I've read that plans are afoot to to increase the platform lengths at Glasgow Queen Street by extending into the current "mingle" area and rebuild.

 

[Fincra5]

I would probably re-open the ex-cross country service from Brighton to Manchester.