Ian Brady has died

[Tetchytyke]

I dread to think how much it has cost keeping Brady alive for the last 50 odd years.

He's wanted to die for the last 50 years and, for that reason alone, it was worth every penny.

 

[AlterEgo]

The only reason that he was force fed is because he was deemed mentally ill.

I dread to think how much it has cost keeping Brady alive for the last 50 odd years.

Money well spent if it was denying him the choice of death. Absolute coward.

 

[Railops]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/each-uk-murder-costs-society-1-8-million-says-treasury-1448984

keeping Moors Murderer Ian Brady incarcerated for the last 50 years has cost the tax-payer some £14m.

I don't go along with the ridiculous assertion that it's better to keep him alive at massive cost, should have been topped at the earliest opportunity.

 

[Tetchytyke]

I don't go along with the ridiculous assertion that it's better to keep him alive at massive cost, should have been topped at the earliest opportunity.

Luckily the death penalty was abolished.

But even if it hadn't, who's to say death row would have been cheaper? The US system costs almost double, on average, for a death row prisoner.

Who knows? In Brady's warped mind he might have liked the idea of still being in the news after he's gone.

Nobody really knows. But I seriously doubt he's told his solicitor anything. Truthfully, I don't think he knew what he did with Keith's body; if he had, he'd have said years ago, like he did with all the others.

 

[radamfi]

The only reason that he was force fed is because he was deemed mentally ill.

But doesn't​ "bad" basically imply "mad"? Obviously most people don't kill and most of those even slightly tempted are deterred by the severe penalties if you are caught. Not just prison, but the effect of your life in general. So if you go ahead and kill despite the significant barriers then chances are you are defective in some way.

Murder is just something we have to accept, unless there is a technological breakthrough in terms of being able to reprogram people's​ brains as a child and thus preventing people's need or desire to kill.

 

[me123]

But even if it hadn't, who's to say death row would have been cheaper? The US system costs almost double, on average, for a death row prisoner.

True, but I'd suspect that Brady would have waived his right to appeal (unless of course he would have wanted the publicity) - but removing the necessary lengthy appeals process would have brought the costs down. That's where the bulk of the cost lies in the US - a long period of higher security detention alongside a lengthy appeals process. Assuming Brady would have relished the thought of death, he'd have been gone within a few years at most.

 

[Railops]

But doesn't​ "bad" basically imply "mad"? Obviously most people don't kill and most of those even slightly tempted are deterred by the severe penalties if you are caught. Not just prison, but the effect of your life in general. So if you go ahead and kill despite the significant barriers then chances are you are defective in some way.

Murder is just something we have to accept, unless there is a technological breakthrough in terms of being able to reprogram people's​ brains as a child and thus preventing people's need or desire to kill.

Are you saying that to murder you must be mad ?

 

[radamfi]

Are you saying that to murder you must be mad ?

Certainly at the time of killing you must be crazy for the reasons stated above. Of course there are "moments of madness" where normally "sane" people temporarily behave irrationally.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Are you saying that to murder you must be mad ?

It's interesting, and probably for another thread.

People without problems don't murder. It's known that psychopaths make up 1% of the adult population but up to 25% of the adult prison population (US figures). Narcissists make up another big chunk of the adult prison population too.

They're clearly not "right", but are they mad? And does that mean they're not culpable? It's interesting.

 

[Railops]

Certainly at the time of killing you must be crazy for the reasons stated above. Of course there are "moments of madness" where normally "sane" people temporarily behave irrationally.

So all terrorists are mad then ? it's a fact that some people simply enjoy killing, they aren't mentally ill and not even suffering a "moment of madness"

 

[radamfi]

So all terrorists are mad then ? it's a fact that some people simply enjoy killing, they aren't mentally ill and not even suffering a "moment of madness"

But what about the risk of being caught? It is hell of a risk, a risk too great for most people, therefore irrational.

 

[Railops]

But what about the risk of being caught? It is hell of a risk, a risk too great for most people, therefore irrational.

Usually is irrational I agree but I maintain that although plenty of killers will be mentally deranged plenty won't be.

 

[Antman]

So all terrorists are mad then ? it's a fact that some people simply enjoy killing, they aren't mentally ill and not even suffering a "moment of madness"

I think terrorists generally have some misguided notion that what they are doing is right. I'm not a doctor but I would have serious concerns about the sanity of anybody who enjoyed killing people, in fact there's an argument that the likes of Brady, Sutcliffe and Huntley are by definition mad and that no sane person would even contemplate doing what they have done.

 

[Antman]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/each-uk-murder-costs-society-1-8-million-says-treasury-1448984



I don't go along with the ridiculous assertion that it's better to keep him alive at massive cost, should have been topped at the earliest opportunity.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Tetchytyke]

although plenty of killers will be mentally deranged plenty won't be.

It depends what you mean by "mentally deranged".

Narcissists will kill if they don't get their own way or believe in their rightness, and psychopaths will kill because they don't care or they enjoy it. Are they sane? Are they mentally deranged? There's no simple answer.

The law doesn't consider people with personality disorders to be "deranged", and so they'll be tried as sane people. But then personality disorders are recognised mental health conditions, so...

 

[kylemore]

There was something uniquely evil about Brady and Hindley, that entered the in the psyche of the British people in that era (the 60's). To me it was reading the news reports of Detectives openly crying in court, as the last moments of 10 year old Leslie Ann Downey's life were played out on audio tape. Brady's controlling nature over Hindley, and later over the families of the victims, who wanted to find the remains of their loved ones, so as to give them a proper funeral, just re-inforced the evil in him.

Ironically Brady is the reason that I would never support the re-introduction of the death penalty. He had wanted to die for a long time. He refused food and was force fed for many years. He could not control his own final destiny, as he had controlled so many other aspects of his perverted past. It must have been absolute torture for him not to be able to be in control of that last part of his life, a part where he wanted to choose to die on his own terms. I am glad he was denied that choice. I am glad his last years were a personal hell for him. It was the least that could have happened to him. I don't believe in an after life so his suffering, unlike the family of Keith Bennett, has ended. I'm just glad that he did suffer at the end.

It's interesting to conjecture - if Hindley had never met Brady would she have gone on to have an unremarkable life as an ordinary Lancashire housewife?

 

[backontrack]

Absolute sc*m. The absolute s**t of the planet. I hope he burns for eternity.

 

[backontrack]

It's interesting to conjecture - if Hindley had never met Brady would she have gone on to have an unremarkable life as an ordinary Lancashire housewife?

No matter how much pressure you're under - you don't just do something like that.

 

[furnessvale]

It's interesting to conjecture - if Hindley had never met Brady would she have gone on to have an unremarkable life as an ordinary Lancashire housewife?

Hindley was a willing participant and I believe she attempted to recruit her own brother into their web of evil.

She certainly used to have a good laugh after each visit from that milksop Longford when she was in Durham.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

It's interesting to conjecture - if Hindley had never met Brady would she have gone on to have an unremarkable life as an ordinary Lancashire housewife?

By some accounts , she was considering joining the Police before meeting Brady.

 

[cjmillsnun]

It's not his name we should remember.

These are the names we should remember
Pauline Reade
John Kilbride
Keith Bennett
Lesley Ann Downey
Edward Evans

 

[Strathclyder]

As others have already pointed out, it is immeasurably tragic that the location of Keith Bennett's body was never disclosed by Brady and is now unlikely ever to be found. Cannot begin to even imagine the torment the family has had to endure for so long...

Brady was the physical embodiment of pure, irredeemable evil. I sincerely hope that he rots for all eternity.

 

[Strathclyder]

It's not his name we should remember.

These are the names we should remember
Pauline Reade
John Kilbride
Keith Bennett
Lesley Ann Downey
Edward Evans

Precisely. The children are the ones who should be remembered here, not the creature that robbed them of life with such cruelty, depravity & sadism.

 

[UpTheFront]

Brady had been in custody since 1966. I was trying to look up who has been inside the longest now. Possibly it is Donald Neilson - banged up in 1976.

From what I found it was Brady after the death of John Straffen in 2007,who by then had served 55 years.
Brady was the current longest serving prisoner with 51 years inside.

 

[scarby]

It is grossly simplistic to say it has cost "the taxpayer" £14 million to keep Ian Brady alive - as it is whenever newspapers use this term about anything (including railway matters, sometimes).

Firstly it hasn't "cost" the taxpayer anything. It will have come out of money budgeted for prisons, etc. Their tax bill would have been just the same even if Ian Brady had never existed.

The overwhelming majority of those costs would be fixed costs such as paying permanent staff and so on.

Finally, the money doesn't just vanish, as stuff such as wages is recycled back into the economy when spent. In fact, a prison almost certainly boosts the local economy in some ways.

Obviously in an ideal world it would be great if the resources could be used for something else, but we haven't progressed to the stage of crime-free society yet, so prisons and so on need to exist.

 

[Antman]

Sadly, the coroner has no legal right to enforce his request.

In the end, Brady can have his last laugh at the expense of the families.

If the site of his ashes is made public, I for one will feel the need to relieve myself each time I pass that way.

The body has now been released and decency has prevailed and the ashes will not be spread on Saddleworth Moor. Maybe they could be buried in the grounds of Ashworth and he can stay there forever?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39965466

 

[furnessvale]

The body has now been released and decency has prevailed and the ashes will not be spread on Saddleworth Moor. Maybe they could be buried in the grounds of Ashworth and he can stay there forever?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39965466

I would prefer the "lost at sea" Osama Bin Laden ending so no trace of the man, or his ashes, can ever be found.

 

[Cowley]

Reminds me, I must pick up some cat litter from the shop later.

 

[cf111]

I think the Government should have done a deal with Ian Brady; show us where the body of Keith Bennett is and we will discharge you from the hospital. Yes it would have given Ian Brady what he wanted but at least Keith Bennett's family would have been able to give him a decent burial.

I agree, on the proviso that when the body was found the "deal" was immediately cancelled, Brady arrested, tried and convicted of Keith Bennett's murder (he was only ever convicted of murdering Edward Evans, Lesley Ann Downey and John Kilbride) before being carted back to Ashworth again.

 

[Darandio]

I agree, on the proviso that when the body was found the "deal" was immediately cancelled

Imagine trying that one today though. He's take legal action and he'd win, such is the way our system works.