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I've discovered that Hungary offers some very cheap rail and (long-distance) bus passes. Please could someone confirm if the following is correct?
  • Valid on all trains in Hungary (except open access), does this include services operated by other national rail operators (eg: OeBB)?
  • Valid on local transport in certain cities, including Budapest
  • Is valid on services requiring a seat reservation if you buy a reservation*
  • No time restrictions
I'm very tempted to get the 30 day pass, as it's only ~£42, but depending on how my planning goes I may just buy a couple of 24 hour passes instead. Is there any difference in validity between the two time periods (other than obviously one's valid for a lot longer!) or are they essentially interchangeable? Can I effectively treat the pass as an Interrail pass (that happens to be valid on a few buses as well)?

*Pretty sure I read somewhere that you don't need a reservation if you're just doing a quick run between (say) Budapest Deli and Kelenfoeld - is there a map of how far this area extends?

Thanks

EDIT: how does the pass interact with sleeper trains? If I wanted to use the Budapest-Rijeka sleeper, would I just need a reservation?
 
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For all intents and purposes things like the EuroCity and railJet to Vienna are operated by MÁV-START while in Hungary - though they are reservation-compulsory in domestic traffic.

IIRC the country-wide pass is fine on InterCity/Expressz services (and anything else that needs a reservation) on payment of the reservation fee, but region-specific ones aren't necessarily valid.
 

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See https://www.ujtarifa.hu/en and scroll down to the FAQ

I've discovered that Hungary offers some very cheap rail and (long-distance) bus passes. Please could someone confirm if the following is correct?
  • Valid on all trains in Hungary (except open access), does this include services operated by other national rail operators (eg: OeBB)?
MAV-START, HEV and GySEV only.
Edit: oops, as pointed out above, red trains are actually operated by MAV within Hungary.

I may just buy a couple of 24 hour passes instead. Is there any difference in validity between the two time periods
Yes, though I think only affects local transport and Volanbusz supplements. Read the FAQ to be sure.

how does the pass interact with sleeper trains? If I wanted to use the Budapest-Rijeka sleeper, would I just need a reservation?
Not valid. You need an international ticket. MAV do not allow split ticketing at the border. Unless only travelling to Balatonfüred etc of course.

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If an IC also shows as a Gy (gyors) at the same times, those grot-class coaches do not need a reservation.
 
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When I visited Hungary in 2017, rail travel was free to over 65s. Does that still apply, and if so, does it apply to people from non EU countries?
 

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AFAIK ÖBB don't operate any trains in Hungary.

To be pedantic, the REX6 train (Deutschkreutz to Bratislava-Petrzalka) stops at Sopron, but Austrian tickets are valid there (or at least I was told that at the ticket office).
 

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nwales has already answered most of it comprehensively above.
Note: stress again: whatever local pass is NEVER valid for international trips, you have then to pay full distance from start and there have been regular reports of conductors checking this thoroughly and fining people. Thus this also excludes any Railjet, nighttrain etc.
Also any supplement or price for obligatory REServation still has to be paid-also if enjoying free travel-but thats very low price. For trains easiest to set up on the quite good machines and even cheaper untill day before travel. IF -in theory- such a RES is needed depends on what train and not short/long distance. Plus that such a short sector has plenty of other local trains. And indeed, on some routes some trains may even have a combo of better coaches as IC WITH and older ones withOUT. I think this is only on the Szeged line-but may have changed.
ALL those buses are done by Volan (=wheels), with the name of the province before. Also all smaller bus-only citybus networks. If you are busfan you may even hit the superold Ikarus (once Hungary´s pride as bus supplyer for all of communist East-Europe). Debrecen, Szeged and Miskolc have also trams (or even trolleybus) and their own city-owned ´company´. I am not sure if they also accept these passes. Volan has a few routes with an express part in it-also needing an extra supplement-just pay driver in cash HUF.
It may also be quite a challenge to find out how far those provinces/counties ´.meggye´ stretch out.
When I visited Hungary in 2017, rail travel was free to over 65s. Does that still apply, and if so, does it apply to people from non EU countries?
Has with that fares-reform in 2024 also been extended to anyone who can prove with legal ID s/he is 65 or older. Apparently-what I read in continental forums-is that it proved to difficult to distinguish as most ID cards are very much lookalike. For a while it was indeed EU-only as economy measure, as it does not affect me, I really dont know for how long that was.
To be pedantic, the REX6 train (Deutschkreutz to Bratislava-Petrzalka) stops at Sopron, but Austrian tickets are valid there (or at least I was told that at the ticket office).
To go via Sopron is indeed the route always adviced for those penny-pinching doing the Budapest-Wien run in stead of the direct route via Hegyeshalom. In the eyes/perception of the Hungarians-as these trains do no call at other stations in Hungary, they are not domestic. The VOR (north-east Österreich, around Wien=Vienna) tariff applies for that.
 

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To be pedantic, the REX6 train (Deutschkreutz to Bratislava-Petrzalka) stops at Sopron
One of my favourite weird international services (less so minus Bratislava for now).

However, looking at bahn, I was expecting the *operator* to be some combination of ÖBB, maybe ZSSK and/or GySEV and ... it's GySEV only!
 
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