Huddersfield signalling re-control works

[Welshman]

The latest information is that the bustitution will be running from Lord Street.

From http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/no-trains-huddersfield-dewsbury-1-13352956



It's about 300m away from the station, but I guess as nothing will be running through the station interchange with trains is not an issue. Keeping the RRBs well away from the Food Festival is probably for the best.

Will there be provision for taxis at Lord St though?
The walk from there to the Bus Station could be quite challenge, especially with heavy luggage.

Back in the day in the 1960s, before the new bus station was built, Lord St used to be used as a terminus for long-distance coach services, originally Yorkshire Traction, then National Express, to London and other cities.

What goes around comes around.

 

[BMIFlyer]

The 2 closures in August are for running tests to make sure the signalling in Huddersfield / Healey Mills can work successfully from York ROC.

Later this year the relevant signallers will move to York to train on the signalling control system.

In the 3rd week of January 2018, signalling control is officially planned to move from the above mentioned boxes to York.

 

[NorthernSpirit]

Rail replacement bus services will go from Lord Street in Huddersfield, since St. Georges Square will be shut because of the annual Food and Drink Festival.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Hmmm... a designated walking route right through the middle of the square, meaning right through the food festival...

Good luck with that!

 

[NorthernSpirit]

The railway station is bound to be closed that day since there's nowt running from it. I wonder how the 202/3, 231/2, 370/1/2 and the FTB are going to cope since they also stop at those stops on Lord Street.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

The railway station is bound to be closed that day since there's nowt running from it. I wonder how the 202/3, 231/2, 370/1/2 and the FTB are going to cope since they also stop at those stops on Lord Street.

According to the .pdf (irritatingly a different one to the rail disruption*) on the Metro website, all service buses that normally serve Lord Street and St. George's Square will operate from the bus station only during the Food Festival. No mention of the Free Town Bus though.

Good point about the station being closed anyway, so that walking route illustrated won't be overused. Presumably the ticket office will be open, though with no trains there'll be far less footfall at least.

*= It shows how much we struggle with cross-modal integration when even a PTE/ITA/whatever they're called this week can't manage to publish a single document or page which covers the whole shebang. Remind me again what the "I" stands for... :roll:

The aforementioned .pdf can be found at http://www.wymetro.com/uploadedFiles/WYMetro/Content/travelnews/Roadworks/KIRKLEES%20RD%2004.18.13.pdf, on page 2.

 

[yorksrob]

Have the changes to the South Pennine timetable been entered into NRE yet ? It seems to bear little resemblance to TPE's emergency timetable.

 

[yorksrob]

Does anyone know if there will be a general acceptance of West Yorkshire - Manchester tickets via Sheffield for the duration of these works ?

The various websites appear to be tight lipped on the subject.

 

[Bantamzen]

Could be a fun weekend at the Leeds end of the blockade too, with the Leeds Pride festival & march this weekend so things will be quite a bit busier, and New Station Street is still closed off to buses outside the station as of this morning so it will be interesting to see where the RRBs will pick up and set down with so many planned if the contractors are still on site tomorrow.

Incidentally, with Huddersfield being out of action and all Manchester - Leeds passengers being directed onto Northern Calder Valley services, will Northern be moving any units planned to stable in Huddersfield to strengthen Calder Valley services do we think? It could make for some interesting formations running up and down!

 

[yorksrob]

This is turning into a thread on which "there are more questions than answers" as the song goes.

 

[Bantamzen]

This is turning into a thread on which "there are more questions than answers" as the song goes.

And to chuck another spanner in the works, midday services from Blackpool as far as Bradford & the reverse late afternoon are likely to get a bit busier as the football season kicks in again (well at least for the proper leagues, not that fancy Premier League diving competition that our most beloved neighbours have fluked their way into ).

Interestingly on the NR site they are reporting that Leeds - Man Vic services can only run with a maximum of four coaches. Is that the maximum formation that can be run along the Calder Valley? Its been a while since I've been down it, but surely at least the semi-fasts could in theory run as 5? I'm trying to think of the platform lengths but most can hold more than 4 can't they?

 

[lejog]

And to chuck another spanner in the works, midday services from Blackpool as far as Bradford & the reverse late afternoon are likely to get a bit busier as the football season kicks in again (well at least for the proper leagues, not that fancy Premier League diving competition that our most beloved neighbours have fluked their way into ).

Interestingly on the NR site they are reporting that Leeds - Man Vic services can only run with a maximum of four coaches. Is that the maximum formation that can be run along the Calder Valley? Its been a while since I've been down it, but surely at least the semi-fasts could in theory run as 5? I'm trying to think of the platform lengths but most can hold more than 4 can't they?

Nope, for the faster service Hebden Bridge and Todmorden can't. Not sure about New Pudsey or 2 of the platforms at Bradford Interchange. For the semi-fasts, neither will Mytholmroyd or Sowerby Bridge.

In fact only Halifax and Rochdale definitely can. I did post on another thread recently that there is a lot of work to do on 23 intermediate intermediate stations between Manchester and Leeds if Calder Valley services are to be lengthened to 6*23m by 2019.

Edit: Here are the platform lengths for the stations covered by the London NE Sectional Appendix (the information in the London NW pdf is less easy to find)

BRAMLEY 102 102
NEW PUDSEY 122 122
BRADFORD INTERCHANGE 209 203 119 103
HALIFAX 187 186
SOWERBY BRIDGE 97 102
MYTHOLMROYD 102 102
HEBDEN BRIDGE 110 109

 

[Bantamzen]

Nope, for the faster service Hebden Bridge and Todmorden can't. Not sure about New Pudsey or 2 of the platforms at Bradford Interchange. For the semi-fasts, neither will Mytholmroyd or Sowerby Bridge.

In fact only Halifax and Rochdale definitely can. I did post on another thread recently that there is a lot of work to do on 23 intermediate intermediate stations between Manchester and Leeds if Calder Valley services are to be lengthened to 6*23m by 2019.

Ah that explains that then! I think New Pudsey can take 5 at least, doesn't the 180 leased from Grand Central call there on weekday mornings? But regardless that would be no use for the Manchester passengers, sounds like its going to be fun this weekend. I was thinking about a few beers in Hebden Bridge this Sunday, but I think I'll give that a miss!!

 

[lejog]

Ah that explains that then! I think New Pudsey can take 5 at least, doesn't the 180 leased from Grand Central call there on weekday mornings? But regardless that would be no use for the Manchester passengers, sounds like its going to be fun this weekend. I was thinking about a few beers in Hebden Bridge this Sunday, but I think I'll give that a miss!!

The 180 stops at Bramley too, but has SDO. I think most of the platforms on the Calder Valley line date from the time of 6*17m Class 110s!

 

[northwichcat]

The Huddersfield obsession with Leeds is cringe worthy.

I remember the season when Leeds went from being a club challenging for a Champions League place to a club fighting regulation. I've never known any club try to blame factors outside of their control so much, especially as it was their own chairman who caused the problems but no in the view of the Leeds fans it was the fault of referees, Harry Kewell's agent etc.

 

[northwichcat]

The 180 stops at Bramley too, but has SDO. I think most of the platforms on the Calder Valley line date from the time of 6*17m Class 110s!

I thought 180 SDO only worked if the driver was releasing the doors or have GC modified their 180s so the guard can do SDO? When Northern loaned the 3 x 180s from NXEC they did local door release at Woodsmoor to prevent a dispute with the RMT.

 

[northwichcat]

According to the .pdf (irritatingly a different one to the rail disruption*) on the Metro website, all service buses that normally serve Lord Street and St. George's Square will operate from the bus station only during the Food Festival. No mention of the Free Town Bus though.

Maybe they need to signpost a walking route from Lord Street to the bus station then and make sure there's notices about the station being closed and replacement buses operating at the arrivals stands at the bus station, to prevent people walking from the bus station to Lord Street via the station.

 

[lejog]

I thought 180 SDO only worked if the driver was releasing the doors or have GC modified their 180s so the guard can do SDO. When Northern loaned the 3 x 180s from NXEC they did local door release at Woodsmoor to prevent a dispute with the RMT.

Dunno, GC certainly use SDO at Mirfield and Kirkgate (Brighouse too?), but have no idea who operates it. I did catch the Leeds 180 once, but don't remember what happened at Bramley.

 

[yorksrob]

And to chuck another spanner in the works, midday services from Blackpool as far as Bradford & the reverse late afternoon are likely to get a bit busier as the football season kicks in again (well at least for the proper leagues, not that fancy Premier League diving competition that our most beloved neighbours have fluked their way into ).

Interestingly on the NR site they are reporting that Leeds - Man Vic services can only run with a maximum of four coaches. Is that the maximum formation that can be run along the Calder Valley? Its been a while since I've been down it, but surely at least the semi-fasts could in theory run as 5? I'm trying to think of the platform lengths but most can hold more than 4 can't they?

If all else fails, I'd be tempted to run the hourly fastish Leeds - Vic as a very long express just calling at the platforms that can take it.

I'd also continue past the 20:00 cliff edge when services drop back to one very busy one an hour.

 

[lejog]

It should be noted that Northern are running 3tph between Leeds and Manchester Victoria today, instead of the normal 1tph semi-fast Sunday service. There are 2tph semi-fast and the normal Leeds-Halifax-Hudderfield service is diverted to Victoria, running fast from Halifax to Victoria, which is the first time this has happened in many years. This service on Saturday was all-stations stopper as it had to pick up the stops from the cancelled Brighouse service, which of course doesn't run on Sundays.

 

[yorksrob]

Did anyone get to experience the Calder Valley yesterday ?

When i passed through Vic (to another service) it didn't seem too busy.

The South Pennine route seemed to handle everything perfectly well.

 

[FQTV]

Did anyone get to experience the Calder Valley yesterday ?

When i passed through Vic (to another service) it didn't seem too busy.

The South Pennine route seemed to handle everything perfectly well.

Full and standing on my Hope Valley Transpennine Express Newcastle to Manchester Airport service. Arrived Piccadilly about 24L; busiest until York though as it was short-formed up to that call.

 

[yorksrob]

Full and standing on my Hope Valley Transpennine Express Newcastle to Manchester Airport service. Arrived Piccadilly about 24L; busiest until York though as it was short-formed up to that call.

I caught a six carriage EMT 158 over to Manchester in the morning, and it was pretty much fully occupied, but not uncomfortably so (there was a seat for anyone who cared to look). That said, I don't catch this service regularly enough to know whether that is typical for that section.

The evening one back which I catch regularly was a little busier than normal but not by much.

 

[roversfan2001]

The 1120 MAN-SHF and 1742 DON-MAN were full in the rear 3 leaving Piccadilly and the front 3 leaving Doncaster, but no one was standing, I didn't look at the other unit on each train.

 

[noddingdonkey]

Seems there was a bit of a farce on the bustitution, when a wheel literally came off

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/84-year-old-town-fan-13439495

An 84-year-old Huddersfield Town fan hitchhiked home from a roundabout near the M62 after a wheel flew off the bus she was travelling on.

Maureen Procter, 84, was travelling back from Austria with her daughter Susan Graham, and around 10 other fans, on the rail replacement bus from Manchester to Huddersfield yesterday evening (Saturday).

They had flown from Munich in Germany to Manchester after watching Huddersfield Town’s games against VfB Stuttgart and Torino FC.

Susan, who lives in Marsden, said the bus was approaching Outlane on the M62 when it suddenly came to a ‘grinding halt’.

The 57-year-old, who was sitting in the fourth row on the side above the lost wheel, said: “The bus dropped a little bit but then there was a really strong scraping noise.

“There was smoke and sparks, but I didn’t see any fire.

“The momentum brought the bus off to the grass verge on the right side of the road.

 

[The Lad]

Todmorden westbound platform can take 8 coaches and there is a stop board to prove it. Probably measured for Class 230's.

 

[Andyh82]

The quality of rail replacement coaches often seems to be at the bottom of the scale, but this is obviously something else.

I mean who still runs M reg coaches in 2017, will be a good 22 years old.

 

[xotGD]

The quality of rail replacement coaches often seems to be at the bottom of the scale, but this is obviously something else.

I mean who still runs M reg coaches in 2017, will be a good 22 years old.

Replacing a 1980s vintage bendy with a 22 year old coach. Disgraceful!

 

[Mugby]

I was in Leeds yesterday and saw some of the ropey old coaches being used for bustitution.

Quite a few of them with Northern Irish registrations to disguise their true age.

 

[Crossover]

There was a RRB at Dewsbury yesterday that I am sure was a J reg (whether that was a private plate, however, I don't know)