How many?

[90019]

Sorry if this has been asked before, I just wondered how many passengers can fit onto a busy commuter train carriage at rush hour?

Lots.

 

[ChrisCooper]

Unlike buses, trains don't have a maximum number of passengers. Bus loadings are based on maximum autherised mass, which all road vehicles have and is determined by things like braking power and axle weight. That's why bendies can have large standing loads, as they are spread out on 3 axles. Trains it is just the physical limit of the number that can squash on. Incidently, planes maximum loads are determined by evacuation time

 

[Ticket Man]

Let's see.

If a train has a floor area of 460m^2 and 66 seats.

Let us make the number of passengers in the carriage x, the floor space f and the number of seats s

When f=460 s=66

If each passenger occupies 0.8m^2 floor space, then x=(f/0.8)+s

Therefore
x= 575 + 66
x=641

I'll get the next one!

 

[Flamingo]

Anyway, you don't need to worry about it unless they are trying to get into the cab with you - your seat is reserved!

 

[142094]

So any chance of actually saying what they are, or links to any info... :roll:

God help us all if you actually are a trainee train driver. Good job you are not in a customer-facing role like a condutor as well with an attitude like yours.

Next time be a bit more precise with your questions and also whilst you're at it, with your post titles as well.

 

[EM2]

Except a 158 is a two-carriage train, so does Failed Unit mean 250 overall or 250 per carriage?

 

[DaveNewcastle]

. . . .
If each passenger occupies 0.8m^2 floor space, then x=(f/0.8)+s
. . . .

A dense crowd is still thought to be 'safe', from the poiont of view of planning, when jammed together at 3 persons per square metre. In which case that term would be 0.58. In packed transport it can easily exceed 4 persons per sq. metre, which equates to less than 0.5

Re-calculate!

 

[wessex]

Anyway, you don't need to worry about it unless they are trying to get into the cab with you - your seat is reserved!

That made me chuckle nice one flamingo

 

[g4mby]

I think the record is 150 on a 153!

A couple of years ago I counted 82 standing passengers on a FGW 153 on which I believe there are 75 seats. I actually lost count at 82 as I couldn't actually see everyone from where I was standing so the total would have been in excess of 157. It really was shoulder to shoulder and although FGW occasionally have to use a 153 on the Bristol to Gloucester route at peak time, I've never experienced quite so many people again.

Makes you wonder why they don't just put on an extra carriage when they know it's going to be busy.

 

[Minstral25]

Maybe the question should be the most passengers per sq metre of a coach, which I suspect the winner will be the northern line at about 8am

i think you ought to try the Jubilee line from London Bridge to Canary Wharf at 8:00 - northern line is half empty by comparison

After seeing the figures released for the most overcrowded trains a couple of weeks back. I tried to do the calculation on my normal rammed morning single class 377/4 going from Redhill to London Bridge. I tried all the different coaches over a week to get estimates for each coach.

This worked out at around 450 people in a four car unit. A 377/4 has 228 seats and I estimated just slightly less in the standing spaces. I suspect if the passengers moved down a bit better you could get slightly more in.

It's a very rough estimate only

 

[MCR247]

Makes you wonder why they don't just put on an extra carriage when they know it's going to be busy.

obviously because they don't feel like it? Why else? :roll:

 

[sprinterguy]

i think you ought to try the Jubilee line from London Bridge to Canary Wharf at 8:00 - northern line is half empty by comparison

After seeing the figures released for the most overcrowded trains a couple of weeks back. I tried to do the calculation on my normal rammed morning single class 377/4 going from Redhill to London Bridge. I tried all the different coaches over a week to get estimates for each coach.

This worked out at around 450 people in a four car unit. A 377/4 has 228 seats and I estimated just slightly less in the standing spaces. I suspect if the passengers moved down a bit better you could get slightly more in.

It's a very rough estimate only

So that's about the same number of people standing than seated then: It looks like my estimations are rather low and would make for a much more comfortable train journey than in reality!

 

[87015]

obviously because they don't feel like it? Why else? :roll:

Off peak and especially at weekends there are loads of trains which are F+S that could be strengthened with spare units if the TOCs had the interest of passenger comfort not making more pennies at heart.

 

[Flamingo]

Off peak and especially at weekends there are loads of trains which are F+S that could be strengthened with spare units if the TOCs had the interest of passenger comfort not making more pennies at heart.

Yawn :roll: Change the record...

 

[g4mby]

obviously because they don't feel like it? Why else? :roll:

My remark was supposed to be subtle humour.

By specifically saying "Why don't they put on extra carriages when they know it's going to be busy?" I was referring to the very common question made by people in the Bristol area who are not expecting their homeward journey to be so busy after their daytime journey had been quiet. They don't seem to understand that no matter what time of day people travel into Bristol, everybody wants to return home between 1600 and 1800. This means there simply is not enough rolling stock to adequately cater for the numbers travelling home and overcrowding is much worse in the evening peak than it is during the morning peak.

To be fair to FGW they usually provide a 2-car 150 or 158 on the service I referred to but once every three months or so they only have a 153 available which often leads to passengers being left behind and a very overcrowded journey for those lucky(?) enough to be able to travel.

 

[wessex]

I started this thread to get an idea of roughly how many passengers travel on busy commuter train carriages, not to start a discussion/argument on whether extra carriages should or should not be added, that is another thread waiting to be started.
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God help us all if you actually are a trainee train driver. Good job you are not in a customer-facing role like a condutor as well with an attitude like yours.

Next time be a bit more precise with your questions and also whilst you're at it, with your post titles as well.

Yes I am so god help you as you say

 

[87015]

Yawn :roll: Change the record...

Yeah wouldn't know anything about unit diagrams me...

 

[12CSVT]

I think the record is 150 on a 153!

Always thought 150+ people on a 153 unit was an everyday occurence on the Cumbrian Coast.