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andyfrommk
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Is this a question on your "trainee train driver" test?
Sir! Wessex is cheating on his homework.
Just kidding, good luck with passing the training.
Sir! Wessex is cheating on his homework.
Just kidding, good luck with passing the training.
Wessex mate, like the others said it is a rather vague question in the grand scheme of things, different type of trains do different types of jobs, some are designed to take passengers long distances in comfort, some for outer suburban work, for instance to a place like Chelmsford from London, and others are designed to transport as many people as possible on quite short journeys, so saying 'a train at Rush Hour' is vague, because there are lots and lots of different classes at work on our railways transporting people. I'm sure if you were to clarify what type of trains loading you were interested in, they would be able to give you an example of Class of train, and tell you its loading capacity.
thanks andyfromk
I was just looking for an average answer, back to google me thinks
rail-britain
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You can fit in as many as you like, so long as the doors can close...
tbtc
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...because each unit/coach type varies. You can have a fifteen metre coach, a twenty metre coach, a twenty three metre coach...
...you can have different versions of each with "three by two" seats or normal "two by two" seats.
You can have disabled toilets or no toilets.
You can have first class.
You can have a "crumple zone".
Are you wanting "end" doors or "one third/two third" doors?
You can have a wheelchair/bike bay, or high density seating... there are dozens of versions.
But, hey, if you want to roll your eyes because nobody can say "its one hundred people on every type of coach"...
MCR247
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There isn't an average answer. Some trains are 4 car. Some 12. Some 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 or 10. Then you get different types of trains and then subclasses....
Failed Unit
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I think the record is 150 on a 153!
I have seen a 158 with in excess of 250 people on board.
Both on the Grimsby - Lincoln route during the christmas market. I both cases the driver open up the 2nd mans cab (locking themselves in thier own) to let the people on. Good job they didn't need to stop at a signal!
read my question... carriage not train
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at last!!
250 in one carriage!!
thank you Failed unit
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tbtc
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read my question... carriage not train
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at last!!
250 in one carriage!!
thank you Failed unit
If you think that a 158 is one carriage then I think you've missed the point...
Failed Unit
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Maybe the question should be the most passengers per sq metre of a coach, which I suspect the winner will be the northern line at about 8am
unbelievable!!
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Is that helpful at all...
tbtc
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Is your reaction to people trying to answer the question helpful?
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In a high density FGW Mark 3 HST carriage, 84 sitting, as many as are prepared to cram into a 20m asile and two vestibules approx 4 ft x 8ft (and of course, the toilet and luggage racks). Work out that for yourself, it depends quite how friendly they want to get with each other, and what their personal hygiene is like.
The final say-so is if I consider it too crowded to go or not. I do have steel toecaps, sharp elbows and played tighthead prop, so I'll get through.
The final say-so is if I consider it too crowded to go or not. I do have steel toecaps, sharp elbows and played tighthead prop, so I'll get through.
MCR247
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when I get an answer that is helpful I will let you know
You'd get helpful answers if you said in a 'xxxx' carriage
when I get an answer that is helpful I will let you know
Maybe you should ask a helpful question, then.
'Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer', is the adage that springs to my mind.
In other words, you don't know either
How can anyone know the answer when you don't even know the question. Is it really worth trolling?
MidnightFlyer
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What direction has this thread took. Jesus.
Stuff on the Southern, and around suburban areas of Liverpool, manchester, London, Birmingham and Glasgee has capacity built in mind, stuff like long-distance stock, 156, 158 etc is designed for passenger comfort, thus it is less than suburban stock. Simples.
Stuff on the Southern, and around suburban areas of Liverpool, manchester, London, Birmingham and Glasgee has capacity built in mind, stuff like long-distance stock, 156, 158 etc is designed for passenger comfort, thus it is less than suburban stock. Simples.
MCR247
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I know I find it quite amusing too
If I knew my 319 could hold about 100 people in one carriage including standing room that would be my answer, but obviously it is difficult to do an exact head count for any type of carriage, I just wondered if it had been done and if anyone knew, I didn't want the third degree
MidnightFlyer
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I know I find it quite amusing too
I nay find it funny, just an impossible question with such little spec or info.
Failed Unit
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I know I find it quite amusing too
If I knew my 319 could hold about 100 people in one carriage including standing room that would be my answer, but obviously it is difficult to do an exact head count for any type of carriage, I just wondered if it had been done and if anyone knew, I didn't want the third degree
It don't think it has offically, the ones I know about are estimates. The booking office at Market Rasen (when it had one) use to count the people on the platform and then make the judgement on how many people were on the train. Like the day the 150 was recorded on the 153, there were 90 people stood on the platform at Market rasen and the train arrived at the station full.
150 does seem a lot, I wonder what experiences station staff and conductors have had with passengers determined to get on a packed carriage
sprinterguy
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I'm certainly no authority on train loadings, but as a rough rule of thumb I've always worked to the assumption that the maximum loading (seated and standing passengers) for a typical carriage with 2+2 seating is the seated capacity of the carriage + 60%. For a carriage with 3+2 seating, I assume it's the seated capacity plus 45-50%.
Probably not 100% accurate but it's a good estimation, but it's always worth remembering that, as others have pointed out, the ratio of seated to standing passengers will vary depending on positions of doors, the prescence and size of toilets, amount of luggage space, etc.
Probably not 100% accurate but it's a good estimation, but it's always worth remembering that, as others have pointed out, the ratio of seated to standing passengers will vary depending on positions of doors, the prescence and size of toilets, amount of luggage space, etc.
scotsman
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Let's see.
If a train has a floor area of 460m^2 and 66 seats.
Let us make the number of passengers in the carriage x, the floor space f and the number of seats s
When f=460 s=66
If each passenger occupies 0.8m^2 floor space, then x=(f/0.8)+s
Therefore
x= 575 + 66
x=641
If a train has a floor area of 460m^2 and 66 seats.
Let us make the number of passengers in the carriage x, the floor space f and the number of seats s
When f=460 s=66
If each passenger occupies 0.8m^2 floor space, then x=(f/0.8)+s
Therefore
x= 575 + 66
x=641
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