How fast do you drive on the motorway?

[strange6]

But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be driving at all does it? It was earlier suggested that people that can't concentrate on the road and what gear they should be in shouldn't be driving.

If you can't show an ability to concentrate on the road, then you shouldn't be driving. You wouldn't find a train driver being passed out into training if had failed the concentration tests

 

[Zoe]

If you can't show an ability to concentrate on the road, then you shouldn't be driving. You wouldn't find a train driver being passed out into training if had failed the concentration tests

There are some people that can concentrate on the road but not on the gears at the same time. Should these people be banned from driving?

 

[strange6]

There are some people that can concentrate on the road but not on the gears at the same time. Should these people be banned from driving?

Nup, as long as it's an automatic.

 

[The Barlow Boy]

Right then so...........
"Zoe" doesn't have a driving licence.
HST's aren't demus - they can't do the "m".
Many people who do have driving licences still don't understand lane discipline
The Americans did land on the moon in July 1969 (I just thought I'd throw that one in).

 

[Zoe]

Also some people with driving licences shouldn't be allowed to have them as they think it's acceptable to drive at 120 mph.

 

[OxtedL]

Right then so...........
"Zoe" doesn't have a driving licence.
HST's aren't demus - they can't do the "m".
Many people who do have driving licences still don't understand lane discipline
The Americans did land on the moon in July 1969 (I just thought I'd throw that one in).

Are you sure? That last one looks a bit suspect...

 

[strange6]

Also some people with driving licences shouldn't be allowed to have them as they think it's acceptable to drive at 120 mph.

Can't argue with you on that point

 

[LE Greys]

Right then so...........
"Zoe" doesn't have a driving licence.
HST's aren't demus - they can't do the "m".
Many people who do have driving licences still don't understand lane discipline
The Americans did land on the moon in July 1969 (I just thought I'd throw that one in).

Lee Harvey Oswald was working alone when he shot JFK
There was never a "Steam Strategic Reserve"
The M4 was not built so that the MoT Permanent Secretary could get to his old Oxford college in time for dinner
Nor was the M1 intended to take Cabinet Ministers hunting in the Shires

 

[90019]

There are some people that can concentrate on the road but not on the gears at the same time. Should these people be banned from driving?

They shouldn't be allowed a manual licence.

Though, if they can't manage that, how well can they really manage driving in real world conditions?

 

[Ferret]

There are some people that can concentrate on the road but not on the gears at the same time. Should these people be banned from driving?

Crumbs, how hard can it be?!

 

[Striker]

Actually I know people that drive automatics as they need less concentration than manuals and they have no issues with driving an automatic. Are you suggseting these people shouldn't be allowed to drive?

Driving an automatic as a preference is perfectly fine once you've passed your test, but I actually think ALL drivers should be tought to drive a manual and have to pass a test in a manual as a matter of course, unless they have a valid medical reason not to. Driving a manual requires a higher level of skill and therefore is better for all road users. Somebody who is motivated to drive an automatic because it demands "less concentration" should not be on the road FULL STOP.

There are some people with driving licences that have never driven manual cars or find it difficult concentrating on what gear they should be in and driving at the same time. This doesn't mean they should be banned from driving completely does it?

It beggars belief that there are people who find driving a car whilst having to think what gear they should be in "difficult". Seriously. My only consolation is that you're obviously not a driver and therefore I take your opinions with a pinch of salt.

Also some people with driving licences shouldn't be allowed to have them as they think it's acceptable to drive at 120 mph.

I agree, in the UK, simply because other road users would not expect to encounter other road users driving at that speed. And the opinion that driving at 120mph is acceptable in the UK is in the huge minority in this thread. And may I remind you that I could jump in my car and within 15 mins be on a road where I could quite legally drive at 120mph for as long as the autobahn is derestricted. Strange how this is an everyday occurance in a modern, developed country which is very often portrayed as a "bit stiff".

 

[Zoe]

My only consolation is that you're obviously not a driver and therefore I take your opinions with a pinch of salt.

This is not an opinion but a fact. I have also not said if I have a driving licence or not, it is not relevent to this discussion. I do personally know people that find it difficult to concentrate on the roads and gears at the same time so they only drive automatics. Do you think they shouldn't have been allowed a licence?

 

[starrymarkb]

HST's aren't demus - they can't do the "m".

How about DEUs then

*looks for asbestos coat....*

 

[Striker]

This is not an opinion but a fact. I have also not said if I have a driving licence or not, it is not relevent to this discussion. I do personally know people that find it difficult to concentrate on the roads and gears at the same time so they only drive automatics. Do you think they shouldn't have been allowed a licence?

You have made many other statements on this thread which are very much OPINIONS, and it's those statements to which I refer.

I do not think that the people you know shouldn't have been given a license, as they are complying with the rules as they stand. However, I think the rules should be changed. If someone is not able to concentrate on the road and change gears on a manual car at the same time then I have to question their overall ability to handle a car at all, even an automatic, as it's not really that difficult and there are far more challenging tasks you will encounter when driving a car. It wouldn't surprise me if these same people who drive auto gearboxes because they can't concentrate on changing gears and the road at the same time are the same people who commit one of the many other offences whilst driving, such as sitting in the middle lane of the motorway doing 50 mph, or coming to a roundabout, stopping, then looking to see if it's safe to proceed, or failing to indicate correctly, or taking up two spaces in a car park, or going the wrong way down a one way street, or forgetting to put the headlights on when it's dark, or attempting to join a motorway at 30mph, or......I could go on.

People seem to think a driving license is a right, but it's not.

 

[RyanB]

Given that I haven't passed my test yet, I can't really answer, as a learner I only do 70-75 mph on the Edinburgh City Bypass (not allowed on Motorway as a learner) but I personally think that the limit should perhaps be raised to 90, maximum, but that a lower limit should also be added, for cars minimum 60 mph, for vehicles restricted by law to certain speeds 50 mph.

For those that say that driving a manual car takes a lot more concentration than an auto, I'd have to disagree, once you have been driving for a while, changing gears becomes second nature, you do it without too much thought. I agree that you should learn on a manual (unless there is a valid medical reason for not doing so) as it gives you a greater overall experience and allows you to switch to a manual if you should need to do so.

 

[Zoe]

Given that I haven't passed my test yet, I can't really answer, as a learner I only do 70-75 mph on the Edinburgh City Bypass

You are a learner and you exceed the speed limit? I'm surprised your instructor allows this.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

This is not an opinion but a fact. I have also not said if I have a driving licence or not, it is not relevent to this discussion. I do personally know people that find it difficult to concentrate on the roads and gears at the same time so they only drive automatics. Do you think they shouldn't have been allowed a licence?

Let's face it, you don't have a driving licence.

And if someone can't concentrate on the roads and gears at the same time, then my opinion is that they shouldn't have been allowed a licence.

 

[tempests1]

Driving well under the speed limit can cause its own problems. The other day I was driving along the A3 and came across a car doing 25 mph on an open stretch of the road. Under these conditions some drivers will take risks to overtake, be distracted, also drivers will have to slam their brakes on. Which can cause somewhat of a domino effect and cause hold ups further down the road. In extreme cases I guess the driver could be given a fixed penalty and 3 points for driving without due care and attention.
I tend to find that when following tractors/slow agricultural vehicles the drivers tend to show a lot of courtesy and are very aware of the large amount of vehicles queuing behind them and pull over regularly. However one thing I have noticed is Horse vans will never pull over despite what is occurring behind them that is just my experience others may have different experiences.
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Let's face it, you don't have a driving licence.

And if someone can't concentrate on the roads and gears at the same time, then my opinion is that they shouldn't have been allowed a licence.

I think that statement sums things up very well. If they had to keep looking at the gear stick whilst they changed gear what other bad habits might they have.

 

[HST Power]

Looking at the gear stick whilst you change passes off relatively quickly. The alternative is to buy automatic cars. Personally, I prefer autos.

 

[RyanB]

You are a learner and you exceed the speed limit? I'm surprised your instructor allows this.

I do own a car myself, and that was done when I was with my dad, my mum would have had a fit if I'd done that. Do also consider it was during the day, when it was very quiet. I've gone one or two miles an hour over a speed limit plenty of times with my instructor, but I've very quickly reduced the speed ever so slightly.

 

[Royston Vasey]

You are a learner and you exceed the speed limit? I'm surprised your instructor allows this.

Two and a half thousand posts yet showing every sign of being a troll...

I can't be bothered to rise to it any more

 

[Striker]

You are a learner and you exceed the speed limit? I'm surprised your instructor allows this.

With an indicated 75 mph he'd probably be doing an actual speed of around 68 mph.

 

[The Barlow Boy]

Also some people with driving licences shouldn't be allowed to have them as they think it's acceptable to drive at 120 mph.

Look, if you don't play the game don't try and change the rules. You don't have a car, you don't have a licence, you are speaking from theory. Go back to your game boy.
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How about DEUs then

*looks for asbestos coat....*

Yep, I'll go with that.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

If I'm not mistaken Barlow Boy, someone called Zoe is, generally, of the female variety

 

[jon0844]

I think it was meant to be Gameboy (as in handheld games console, albeit a rather old one!).

When I passed my test, I was a nervous driver and was very aware of the fact that having to learn how to drive properly, as you can only do once you've passed and drive on your own - and on all roads - I was probably holding up and annoying others.

That fear probably made me drive worse too, but you DO get better and now I don't have to take my eyes off the road to do anything like change gear, indicate, operate the wipers or whatever.

Clutch control, hill starts and everything all comes naturally. It's auto pilot, leaving me to concentrate on what matters (and, to be honest, that isn't looking at the speedo constantly, as some people seem to think guarantees you'll be safe and invincible).

I can accept that, at first, being in the right gear at the right time can take getting used to, especially if you change car as you'll probably think everything is different, but if you're still doing that after a few months (or let's say, a certain number of miles) then maybe the examiner was wrong to pass you. An auto makes driving easier, for sure, and is great in and around town (or a semi-automatic, where you get the best of both worlds) but nobody should drive an auto because they're too scared to drive a manual.

I studied roadcraft and drove loads to get practice, on different roads, different conditions (I actually looked forward to fog and snow!) and at night etc. But that's because I like driving. I guess people can't afford to do that now, given how expensive petrol has become.

Since I passed in 1991 I have not been involved in a single accident. I discount when a lady ran into the back of me at lights as she was looking in the rear-view mirror doing make-up (honestly!) and noticed at the very last second. I discount it because I could see she wasn't slowing down and moved forward to give her more room, thus minimising the damage (in fact, there was no damage bar some scratched paint) - proving you need to be alert ALL the time, and use those mirrors!

Zoe obviously doesn't drive, and perhaps by the time she does, every car will drive by itself as has been suggested in other threads!

 

[Striker]

I think it was meant to be Gameboy (as in handheld games console, albeit a rather old one!)

And a classic example of how writing "game boy" without the captial "G" and leaving a space inbetween the words "game" and "boy" can change the meaning completely.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

And a classic example of how writing "game boy" without the captial "G" and leaving a space inbetween the words "game" and "boy" can change the meaning completely.

An example of how poor grammar can change the meaning of sentences.

 

[Striker]

An example of how poor grammar can change the meaning of sentences.

Er, yes. Thanks for repeating exactly what I just said but using different words.

 

[The Barlow Boy]

If I'm not mistaken Barlow Boy, someone called Zoe is, generally, of the female variety

Sorry, Gameboy.
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An example of how poor grammar can change the meaning of sentences.

Sorry, sorry. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

 

[Striker]

Sorry, Gameboy.
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Sorry, sorry. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

Why not use this incident as a learning process rather than a chance to show off your knowledge of latin?