How are you going to deal with Climate Change?

[ABB125]

I think the best hope now for limiting global warming is if someone invents a cheap and very effective way of removing CO2 from the atmosphere.

If only there was a way to convert CO2 into something else, perhaps in conjunction with some highly-abundant natural resource, such as water.





Is that a tree I see from the window?

 

[Domh245]

Now the question of "natural vs manmade" climate change has come up, now feels like a useful time to post a relevant XKCD

Earth Temperature Timeline

xkcd.com

xkcd shows very gradual changes of earth's average temperature since 20,000BCE, with significant increase in temperatures since ~industrial revolution

 

[nlogax]

Now the question of "natural vs manmade" climate change has come up, now feels like a useful time to post a relevant XKCD

Thank you I always appreciate a good XKCD that hammers home the point.

 

[102 fan]

I agree on this.

I'm actually very hesitant about having children of my own due to the fact that they will most likely be experiencing the brunt of it. I do not want to bring them in to a world that gets hotter and continuously ravaged. No way.

Stop being over dramatic. How long do you think we've had heatwaves?

List of heat waves - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

1540 was the earliest. Did we have hot weather in January or February? No, we had winter weather. And now we're in July, and it's summer weather. Come Christmas it'll be winter again.

The ONLY reason why 'climate change' has been grabbed so enthusiastically by Government is because it's a money making scheme.

 

[najaB]

Stop being over dramatic. How long do you think we've had heatwaves?

Climate ≠ Weather.

 

[DelayRepay]

I agree that a small number of people doing small things won't make a difference. But a lot of people making small changes can.

I do my best. I use public transport rather than my car where practical, I am careful in my use of energy at home and I try not to create excessive waste or buy too many products from far flung corners of the globe.

But in reality it doesn't feel like I'm making much of a difference. Especially over the last 14 months where environmental considerations have gone out of the window - encouraging people not to use public transport, and to buy loads of extra plastic will take a long time to reverse, just to get back to where we were in 2019.

 

[WelshBluebird]

Stop being over dramatic. How long do you think we've had heatwaves?

Nobody is saying we never had heatwaves before. But what is changing is how frequent and how extreme things like heatwaves and other such events are becoming.
"Once in a lifetime" extreme events are starting to become more common basically.

 

[Harold Hill]

The Grand Solar Minimum means turning the 'stat up to 11

 

[Geezertronic]

I think campaigners should concentrate more on countries that do not appear to be making an effort rather than the ridiculous stunts that Extinction Rebellion have been seen to pull, particularly disrupting public transport in London which is surely not only defeating the point but people tend to see them for the idiots that they are rather than the cause they are supposed to support.

Particularly prevalent are the media pictures supposedly showing during lockdown and after lockdown which show the lack of, and subsequent smog on skylines

 

[Dai Corner]

I think campaigners should concentrate more on countries that do not appear to be making an effort rather than the ridiculous stunts that Extinction Rebellion have been seen to pull, particularly disrupting public transport in London which is surely not only defeating the point but people tend to see them for the idiots that they are rather than the cause they are supposed to support.

Particularly prevalent are the media pictures supposedly showing during lockdown and after lockdown which show the lack of, and subsequent smog on skylines

Or indeed the 'Great Smog' in London in 1952 or the North Sea floods of 1953, for example.

 

[507021]

The usual, recycling and walking/using public transport as much as we can. Solar panels are also being considered.

I won't be trading my Laguna diesel or Rover 75 in for a BEV or FCEV any time soon though. To me at least, it makes more sense to keep older cars going for as long as possible rather than scrapping them and expending precious resources to build new cars to replace them. If it isn't broken, I won't replace it!

 

[nlogax]

I won't be trading my Laguna diesel or Rover 75 in for a BEV or FCEV any time soon though. To me at least, it makes more sense to keep older cars going for as long as possible rather than scrapping them and expending precious resources to build new cars to replace them. If it isn't broken, I won't replace it!

Agree with this. For the first time in twenty-something years the next car I obtain will be used. Sadly it'll have to be petrol-powered as there are no charging points anywhere near me.

 

[102 fan]

Climate ≠ Weather.

Nice try, but can you tell me why we've had heatwaves long before now?

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Nobody is saying we never had heatwaves before. But what is changing is how frequent and how extreme things like heatwaves and other such events are becoming.
"Once in a lifetime" extreme events are starting to become more common basically.

In my experience, when we get winter weather in the winter it's a sign of climate change. When we get summer weather in the summer it's a sign of climate change.

As I've said, this is being grabbed enthusiastically bt government because it's a money earner.

 

[Bevan Price]

Global warming is a slow trend of rising temperatures superimposed on the "natural" cycling of the earth's climate. In consequence, there are likely to be an increasing number of "hot" years, but there will still continue to be periods of "below average" temperatures. And if we ever get a really massive volcanic eruption, that will throw enough dirt into the atmosphere to produce many years of below-average temperatures (with consequences like worldwide famines)

 

[dakta]

Biggest change I think I'll be able to make is trying to persuade the powers that be to embrace hybrid office/home working.

It always seemed a bit of a waste to travel 30 miles each way 5 days a week to plug the same laptop into a different power socket.

Won't be buying an electric car or hybrid for a long time, and won't be doing much to the house on the back of being green.

 

[najaB]

Nice try, but can you tell me why we've had heatwaves long before now?

Because weather is a thing.

 

[wireforever]

I walk into town and catch the train back I don't need Sky with their climate change agenda telling me what to do

 

[nlogax]

As I've said, this is being grabbed enthusiastically bt government because it's a money earner.

For whom is this generating money? Certainly not the government, they're going to be the ones charged with hyper-expensive mitigation and adaptation against what's is already being experienced around the globe.

 

[Dai Corner]

For whom is this generating money? Certainly not the government, they're going to be the ones charged with hyper-expensive mitigation and adaptation against what's is already being experienced around the globe.

For a Conservative UK Government it's a way of channelling taxpayers' money towards their friends in the "Green industry".

For a Labour Welsh Government it's a way to forward their anti-road agenda.

 

[nlogax]

For a Conservative UK Government it's a way of channelling taxpayers' money towards their friends in the "Green industry".

There's some of that no doubt, but someone making money from this massive global problem was always going to happen. That said I'm willing to bet tax receipts from the green industry will be completely dwarfed by what the government will have to spend on mitigation and adaptation.

For a Labour Welsh Government it's a way to forward their anti-road agenda.

Maybe, yes. Or are they having to divert road building funds to providing a charging infrastructure for EVs?

 

[WelshBluebird]

Nice try, but can you tell me why we've had heatwaves long before now?

Again nobody is saying we have never had heatwaves before. The difference is how extreme those heatwaves are and how often they are that bad.

In my experience, when we get winter weather in the winter it's a sign of climate change. When we get summer weather in the summer it's a sign of climate change.

You don't seem to understand the idea of "more extremes" do you? Yes we normally get winter weather and in winter and summer weather in summer. But what we are seeing is both of those become more extreme. Storms getting worse in winter and heatwaves getting worse in summer. Before a place may get severe storms or heatwaves once a decade and now we are seeing the same events happen every few years.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

As I've said, this is being grabbed enthusiastically bt government because it's a money earner.

You've said that twice and you are plain wrong.

In the first place, it hasn't been grabbed enthusiastically by the Government. It's more like, successive Governments in the UK and the World have had to be dragged over many years, kicking and screaming, to recognise what science has been unambiguously telling us for some decades: That if we don't curb CO2 emissions and address other environmental problems, we are headed for disaster. Even today, various political parties and some Governments across the World continue to deny the overwhelming evidence from science - as it appears you are also doing. And even where Governments - like here in the UK - acknowledge the problem, they seem very reluctant to take sufficient action to address it properly.

And secondly pretty much everyone I know who is involved with politics and is concerned about and trying to combat climate change is doing so because they believe it's the right thing to do. Nothing to do with earning money. In fact, in the short term, on balance it costs rather than earns money because of the investment needed in new technologies etc. (In the long run, there'll be a financial benefit in looking after the environment just from avoiding the disastrous effect that unmitigated global warming will have on most countries' economies).

 

[najaB]

And secondly pretty much everyone I know who is involved with politics and is concerned about and trying to combat climate change is doing so because they believe it's the right thing to do. Nothing to do with earning money. In fact, in the short term, on balance it costs rather than earns money because of the investment needed in new technologies etc. (In the long run, there'll be a financial benefit in looking after the environment just from avoiding the disastrous effect that unmitigated global warming will have on most countries' economies).

That's not to say that some people won't earn money in the short term, but those who will be losing out (think oil companies) are going to do everything they can to remind politicians how they got where they are.

 

[LOL The Irony]

LOL The Irony

I really don't care what anyone here thinks of me, I'm sticking to my guns.

 

[MotCO]

One of the problems about this is that scientific 'evidence' is provided as a fact. For every scientist who says that man-made climate change is real, there is another saying it isn't. The only 'fact' is that yesterday wasn't as warm as today (or vice versa). Thirty years ago, scientists were predicting that temperatures would be rising within 30 years, and when it didn't, they changed from global' warming' to 'climate change'.

There is no sensible debate about this considering both points of view. The main stream media is as guilty as anyone about this - Sky News presents their Climate Change programme twice a day, without considering any dissenting views. They produced a similar series of programmes on the damage that plastic does to the oceans, and you can see the evidence of that - you cannot see the 'evidence' of man-made climate change. Schools teach children about Climate Change, without looking at alternative views, so children believe that it is 'real'.

I think two isues need to be addressed:

1. A real extensive debate on man-made Climate Change with both sides having equal airtime, with real evidence produced. Both sides of the argument should have a chance to speak without being shouted down. Maybe there should be a Royal Commission or similar to examine and challenge all the evidence.
2. If it is proved that man-made Climate Change is real, the main perpetrators should be tackled - it is no good holding protests in Great Britain, when other countries are producing far more CO2 emissions, with a significant cost penalty to GB.

 

[nlogax]

For every scientist who says that man-made climate change is real, there is another saying it isn't.

This is in itself incorrect. You will find the vast weight of scientific opinion is behind man-made climate change being a real thing. Various studies suggest anything from 95% to 99% of climate scientists believe this is happening, and happening because of human behavior.

Talking of Royal Commissions, you may want to look up the one that already occurred in Australia that studied the 2019 bushfires. I'll leave you to guess what the outcome and root cause was.

The Royal Commission into National Natural Disaster Arrangements was established on 20 February 2020 in response to the extreme bushfire season of 2019‑2020 which resulted in devastating loss of life, property and wildlife, and environmental destruction across the nation.

The Letters Patent for the Royal Commission set out the terms of reference and formally appoint Air Chief Marshal Mark Binskin AC (Retd), the Honourable Dr Annabelle Bennett AC SC and Professor Andrew Macintosh as Royal Commissioners.

The Royal Commission into National Natural Disaster Arrangements acknowledges the Traditional Owners and custodians of country throughout Australia and acknowledges their continuing connection to land, waters and community. We pay our respects to the people, the cultures and the elders past, present and emerging.

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If it is proved that man-made Climate Change is real, the main perpetrators should be tackled - it is no good holding protests in Great Britain, when other countries are producing far more CO2 emissions, with a significant cost penalty to GB.

I agree that protests here don't really do much good. Extinction Rebellion set back the cause of trying to prevent catastrophic climate change. That said we should all be doing our part as signatories to the Paris climate accord. Where would we be if we decided to do nothing just because other countries emit more CO2 than we do? In percentage terms we're currently leading the way in reducing annual CO2 emissions. Something we should be proud of for a change. You'd hope that other countries would look to us for leadership. Yes?

 

[najaB]

For every scientist who says that man-made climate change is real, there is another saying it isn't.

I'm not going to accuse you of lying, but that is a blatant falsehood. The overwhelming scientific consensus is that anthropogenic climate change is a real thing.

Do scientists agree on climate change? - NASA Science

Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the

climate.nasa.gov

Where there is some disagreement is on the mechanism and on the magnitude of human impact vs natural processes.

 

[Cantab26]

I'm not going to accuse you of lying, but that is a blatant falsehood. The overwhelming scientific consensus is that anthropogenic climate change is a real thing.

Do scientists agree on climate change? - NASA Science

Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the

climate.nasa.gov

Where there is some disagreement is on the mechanism and on the magnitude of human impact vs natural processes.

And all of this is separate to the question of what (if anything) we should do about it.

Which is a political question, not a scientific one.

 

[102 fan]

I predict this thread will die once the usual UK summer weather (rain) starts. Then in January when the snow comes it'll get updated, it'll die again until the summer. And that will be repeated every year.

I've been hearing about apocalyptic climate change now for 50 years. And if some of you think we're not paying more taxes now for 'green' issues, you're naive in the extreme.

 

[Dai Corner]

I predict this thread will die once the usual UK summer weather (rain) starts. Then in January when the snow comes it'll get updated, it'll die again until the summer. And that will be repeated every year.

I've been hearing about apocalyptic climate change now for 50 years. And if some of you think we're not paying more taxes now for 'green' issues, you're naive in the extreme.

Here's a list of predictions made by climate alarmists over the last fifty years or so, noting which ones have come true .

The Extinction Clock

The Extinction Clock: the Internet's authoritative source for end of world climate and extinction predictions.

extinctionclock.org