How are you going to deal with Climate Change?

[Cantab26]

I intend to do absolutely nothing: if it’s as bad as the climate zealots make out then we’re screwed no matter what we do; if it isn’t then it doesn’t matter.

 

[najaB]

As Climate Change has always happened and is driven by the Sun

Peer-reviewed papers to back that point up, please.

Al Gore said the American coast would be underwater in 20 years and then bought a house by the beach.

Quote please.

I intend to do absolutely nothing: if it’s as bad as the climate zealots make out then we’re screwed no matter what we do; if it isn’t then it doesn’t matter.

Actually, there is still a window of opportunity to limit the damage. Not a wide one, but it still exists. It does require change in this generation though.

 

[LOL The Irony]

I intend to do absolutely nothing: if it’s as bad as the climate zealots make out then we’re screwed no matter what we do; if it isn’t then it doesn’t matter.

This is the correct attitude.

 

[birchesgreen]

I suppose it could be seen a bit like what you would do after a nuclear attack. You could build a fallout shelter under the stairs but would you really want to survive?

 

[najaB]

That attitude is predicated on the idea that it's too late to do anything. We're probably about 10 to 20 years away from it being too late.

Of course, had we realised the problem 50 years ago it would've been much easier.

 

[WelshBluebird]

Personally? There isn't much I can do because to make a significant change would need entire industries to shift how they operate. A small number of people doing small bits isn't going to make a dent (its like the plastic straw stuff before COVID - getting rid of them literally makes no difference when 99% of goods delivered to stores, pubs and cafes etc come wrapped in tonnes of plastic wrap).
But the idea that climate change has nothing to do with man made pollution (as mentioned by some people in this thread) is just lunacy. Look at how much stuff we pump out into the atmosphere and there is no way that isn't having an impact.

 

[BrokenSam]

This is the correct attitude.

Not for our children

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As Climate Change has always happened and is driven by the Sun I realise that there is very very little humanity can do and we should instead be putting our efforts into controlling pollution
I note the same organisations and people pushing Manmade Climate Change are the same who pushed the C19 "pandemic" and are also profiting from it

Scientists?

 

[Scotrail314209]

Not for our children

I agree on this.

I'm actually very hesitant about having children of my own due to the fact that they will most likely be experiencing the brunt of it. I do not want to bring them in to a world that gets hotter and continuously ravaged. No way.

 

[najaB]

Personally? There isn't much I can do because to make a significant change would need entire industries to shift how they operate. A small number of people doing small bits isn't going to make a dent

I agree that a small number of people doing small things won't make a difference. But a lot of people making small changes can.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Not for our children

I thought we weren't allowed to have children because hurr durr climate change?

 

[najaB]

I thought we weren't allowed to have children because hurr durr climate change?

Citation?

 

[BrokenSam]

I thought we weren't allowed to have children because hurr durr climate change?

Who told you that?

 

[nlogax]

I'm actually very hesitant about having children of my own due to the fact that they will most likely be experiencing the brunt of it. I do not want to bring them in to a world that gets hotter and continuously ravaged. No way.

I made the decision not to become a father partially because I couldn't imagine bringing anyone up to deal with the mess that the planet is almost inevitably going to find itself in. Although it did help that I possess no paternal instincts whatsoever.

 

[BrokenSam]

I made the decision not to become a father partially because I couldn't imagine bringing anyone up to deal with the mess that the planet is almost inevitably going to find itself in. Although it did help that I possess no paternal instincts whatsoever.

I never really thought about it...until I had my daughter. Thats when I opened my eyes to it. Added to all the hate in the world today and I do sometimes feel guilty.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Who told you that?

Imbociles with newspaper columns because "they'll cause global warming" or something like that. Basically just scaremongering. They probably have a bigger carbon footprint than me but hey ho, let them continue.

 

[najaB]

Imbociles with newspaper columns because "they'll cause global warming" or something like that.

So nobody is stopping anybody. Okay.

 

[PeterY]

I intend to do absolutely nothing: if it’s as bad as the climate zealots make out then we’re screwed no matter what we do; if it isn’t then it doesn’t matter.

I think we've gone too far to reverse climate change. I think most humans beings are selfish and will continue to destroy the planet. I won't be around when it happens.

That attitude is predicated on the idea that it's too late to do anything. We're probably about 10 to 20 years away from it being too late.

Of course, had we realised the problem 50 years ago it would've been much easier.

Sadly we live in a commercially driven world.

 

[XAM2175]

Imbociles with newspaper columns because "they'll cause global warming" or something like that.

LOL The Irony

 

[najaB]

Sadly we live in a commercially driven world.

Indeed we do. Which is why governmental action is needed (and has been applied) to make the low-carbon choice the commercially sensible one. Once we get past the early-adopter stage it becomes self-sustaining.

 

[Scotrail314209]

I genuinely wonder how much of the emissions came from the UK Railway Network before we got EMU's, and services were provided by Diesel/Steam Locomotives which no doubt let out of a ton of pollution. Granted now there is probably still a decent amount emitting from the railways, but the electrification helped bolster things

 

[GrimsbyPacer]

Peer-reviewed papers to back that point up, please.

Quote please.

Actually, there is still a window of opportunity to limit the damage. Not a wide one, but it still exists. It does require change in this generation though.

Most climate change throughout Earth's existence has been driven by The Sun, Solar Maximums and other solar weather events have been attributed to a great many climate change studies, there is dispute as to whether it has driven recent claims of warming, you will find peer reviewed papers both discounting and supporting the effects if you look.

Al Gore's statement is in "The Inconvenient Truth", had to watch it on my Open University course, he said it, you will find the the quote you quoted from "LOL The Irony" was the quote from Al Gore if you watch the boring film.

You never provided a peer-reviewed quote to your comment about there still being a window to limit the damage, you don't have to dis-trust others and demand they explain themselves, we all just repeat what we hear and are told by people we are expected to trust. None of us on here have actually measured the temperature over the course of several years, or marked the high tide marks. The truth is we don't know the truth, as most climate scientists would sabotage their career if they downplayed any risks of climate change, while various industries, media and governments have differing stances on the subject and they have the financial power to get anything published.
The people posting here aren't all liars making stuff up, they are repeating what they've heard that someone else made up. No one can possibly say how long a window is before we are all doomed, that alone suggests the science is incomplete or unreliable.

 

[MotCO]

Whatever we do in the UK will have minimal impact across the world, when China is reportedly opening two new coal-fired power stations a week, and India is still building them. Indeed, while the UK is busy closing coal-fired pwer stsations, Germany is still opening them.

I accept that we need to use resources carefully; but I am not convinced climate change is real. We have had periods of colder and warmer climates in previous eras, without there being any coal-fired power stations, or other man-made pollution. I believe it is just natural changes in the evolution of the universe.

 

[najaB]

Most climate change throughout Earth's existence has been driven by The Sun, Solar Maximums and other solar weather events have been attributed to a great many climate change studies, there is dispute as to whether it has driven recent claims of warming, you will find peer reviewed papers both discounting and supporting the effects if you look.

You're making the point, you need to provide the evidence to support it.

Al Gore's statement is in "The Inconvenient Truth", had to watch it on my Open University course, he said it

I don't recall him saying that the American coast would be underwater in 20 years and I've had a read through a transcript of the movie and must have missed it. Any chance of an actual verbatim quote?

You never provided a peer-reviewed quote to your comment about there still being a window to limit the damage

Window of opportunity - Nature Climate Change

Time is running out to tackle climate change — it is not too late, but the next 10–15 years will be critical.

www.nature.com

 

[nlogax]

I accept that we need to use resources carefully; but I am not convinced climate change is real.

There is zero doubt that climate change is real. Look at the correlation between atmospheric CO2 and global average temperature over the last half a million years, then look at our global climate patterns and you'd understand that.

Diverging opinions relate to whether the current and massive uptick in CO2 levels that are causing this round of climate change is down to the burning of hydrocarbons or some other factors. Science firmly points to industrialization as the root cause of this. Nothing else comes close.

 

[GrimsbyPacer]

You're making the point, you need to provide the evidence to support it.

These are all recent articles on the site you use. It's so widespread it doesn't need a quote. It's has always been known that The Sun has an impact on climate.

Impacts of sunspot number and Geomagnetic aa-index on climate of Wet Zone West Africa during solar cycles 22–24 - Scientific Reports

Using the facilities at Heliophysics Science Division of NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD, USA, we attempted to investigate the impact of solar magnetic activities on the climate of Wet Zone West Africa. The solar activity data namely, Sunspot Number (SSN) was obtained from the...

www.nature.com

Solar Radiation Changes and the Weather - Nature

It is suggested, on the basis of pressure measurements, that energetic solar particles which penetrate the atmosphere in the north Atlantic region may be responsible, in some unknown manner, for certain meteorological variations.

www.nature.com

Planetary Alignments, Solar Activity and Climatic Change - Nature

Historical data suggest a relation between the changing level of solar activity and climatic change on Earth. Since there is also evidence that the solar cycle of activity is influenced by the alignments of the planets, through tidal interactions with the Sun, it seems that climatic change might...

www.nature.com

 

[MotCO]

There is zero doubt that climate change is real. Look at the correlation between atmospheric CO2 and global average temperature over the last half a million years, then look at our global climate patterns and you'd understand that.

Diverging opinions relate to whether the current and massive uptick in CO2 levels that are causing this round of climate change is down to the burning of hydrocarbons or some other factors. Science firmly points to industrialization as the root cause of this. Nothing else comes close.

Ok, I should have said man-made climate change.

How much industralisation has there been over the last half a million years? The change is natural.

 

[LSWR Cavalier]

It is the economy, stupid. So many new products are being made to replace perfectly good working ones, which are then scrapped. Cars, for example, the new ones are bigger and heavier. Surely electric conversion kits could be made for existing vehicles!

Often enough too perfectly good trains are scrapped instead of being repaired.

 

[philosopher]

I think we've gone too far to reverse climate change. I think most humans beings are selfish and will continue to destroy the planet. I won't be around when it happens.

Sadly we live in a commercially driven world.

I think the best hope now for limiting global warming is if someone invents a cheap and very effective way of removing CO2 from the atmosphere.

There is always the geo engineering option such as injecting sulphur dioxide into the stratosphere to reduce the amount of solar energy reaching the earth’s surface, however this could be risky and probably is a last resort option.

 

[nlogax]

Ok, I should have said man-made climate change.

How much industralisation has there been over the last half a million years? The change is natural.

You've not taken into account industrial-scale deforestation massively reducing the amount of carbon sinks that existed in the pre-industrial world. See also polar waters which are warming and therefore can't absorb the same amount of CO2 as before. The only question is are we close to a tipping point or have we already passed it?

 

[najaB]

I think the best hope now for limiting global warming is if someone invents a cheap and very effective way of removing CO2 from the atmosphere.

It only needs to be one of the two: Cheap but not very effective? Make a lot of it. Effective but not cheap? Good, because we can't afford a lot of it. Of course, both would be better!