Have all 12 ROCs started operations?

[snowball]

The thread title says it.

Have all 12 ROCs now been built and started to operate at least one workstation each?

 

[matchmaker]

Both the Scottish ones are.

 

[davetheguard]

Thames Valley Signalling Centre: Didcot's area of control gets ever larger.....

 

[Elecman]

Don't think Rugby has gone live yet.

 

[33056]

Don't think Rugby has gone live yet.

Route control are already in there, think the first work station will be Stafford this weekend.

 

[83G/84D]

Thames Valley Signalling Centre: Didcot's area of control gets ever larger.....

.......... but I don't think it is officially a ROC yet.

 

[Yabbadabba]

Only as regards to actual train signalling, not NR or TOC/FOC control functions also not including ECROs.

01) Glasgow Yes
02) Edinburgh Yes
03) Manchester Yes
04) York No
05) Derby Yes
06) Rugby No
07) Cardiff Yes
08) Didcot yes
09) Romford No
10) Basingstoke No
11) Three Bridges Yes
12) Gillingham Yes


Now I'm bound to be leaving myself open to be corrected now lol

 

[snowball]

Thanks Yabbadabba!

Only as regards to train signalling only.
04) York No

There was this press release about York in Sep 2014 but I notice it doesn't actually say anything about controlling any signals!

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.c...biggest-railway-control-centre-in-the-country

 

[LAX54]

Romford has the TRC's of AGA and NR in there, and that is about as far as it goes for the forseeable future.
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Only as regards to train signalling only.

01) Glasgow Yes
02) Edinburgh Yes
03) Manchester Yes
04) York No
05) Derby Yes
06) Rugby No
07) Cardiff Yes
08) Didcot yes
09) Romford No
10) Basingstoke No
11) Three Bridges Yes
12) Gillingham Yes


Now I'm bound to be leaving myself open to be corrected now lol

But... how many working as they were actually designed to do, area / box replacement wise ?

 

[Bald Rick]

Romford has the TRC's of AGA and NR in there, and that is about as far as it goes for the forseeable future.
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But... how many working as they were actually designed to do, area / box replacement wise ?

Derby is not far off being as it was intended. But filling the ROCs was always intended to take 20+ years.

Meanwhile Romford will have signalling in it relatively soon.

 

[68000]

The Glasgow & Edinburgh ones are Signalling Centres with some shoehorning going on, will run out of space pretty soon

 

[LAX54]

Derby is not far off being as it was intended. But filling the ROCs was always intended to take 20+ years.

Meanwhile Romford will have signalling in it relatively soon.

Not much though, Colchester (colchester) put back minimum 5+ years, Colchester )Ips / Nor) no date now, Cambridge, now off the radar, Broads, if it goes ahead will go to Colchester PSB, Liverpool Street IECC, must admit not sure of the current plan, last we heard, staying put.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Not much though, Colchester (colchester) put back minimum 5+ years, Colchester )Ips / Nor) no date now, Cambridge, now off the radar, Broads, if it goes ahead will go to Colchester PSB, Liverpool Street IECC, must admit not sure of the current plan, last we heard, staying put.

Crossrail stuff going to Romford, no? (as far as Southend I think I read).

 

[brick60000]

Route control are already in there, think the first work station will be Stafford this weekend.

I didn't realise it was the first!! Are the Stafford signallers moving to Rugby or will the workstation be operated by different signallers?

Also, sorry for the stupid question, but where is it that the Trent Valley workstations are located at the minute?

 

[Yabbadabba]

I didn't realise it was the first!! Are the Stafford signallers moving to Rugby or will the workstation be operated by different signallers?

Also, sorry for the stupid question, but where is it that the Trent Valley workstations are located at the minute?

The answer to your 1st question will be down to the grading of the new workstation, if it's a higher grade than the signalboxes then no, unless they've applied and won promotion. If it's the same grade or lower then that all depends on what the signallers chose to do with their displacement.

The southern end of the Trent valley would be Rugby SCC and the Northern End Stoke SCC, with the fringe point being Armitage.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

The southern end of the Trent valley would be Rugby SCC and the Northern End Stoke SCC.

All a bit odd around Stafford.
Rugby SCC currently controls King's Langley-Armitage (100 miles!).
Stoke SCC controls Armitage-Colwich-Stoke-Kidsgrove, and also Norton Bridge-Stone/Betley (ie 2 separate sections of the main line).
Stafford was originally going into Stoke SCC to complete the logical North Staffs area, but now it is going to Rugby ROC there will be 3 switches of control point for any train running Lichfield-Crewe.
I don't know how this will be simplified in the future, or where the eventual boundary between the Rugby and Manchester ROCs will be.
Armitage is also currently the boundary between NR's LNW Route South and North.
They like to align these things with signalling boundaries, so that's another thing that's odd.

 

[The Planner]

Depends on how and when we solve Colwich which is close to life expired. I think they decided Stoke would be a bit cramped with Stafford in there.

 

[brick60000]

The answer to your 1st question will be down to the grading of the new workstation, if it's a higher grade than the signalboxes then no, unless they've applied and won promotion. If it's the same grade or lower then that all depends on what the signallers chose to do with their displacement.

The southern end of the Trent valley would be Rugby SCC and the Northern End Stoke SCC, with the fringe point being Armitage.

Ah right, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!

Depends on how and when we solve Colwich which is close to life expired. I think they decided Stoke would be a bit cramped with Stafford in there.

Whereas now it sounds like Stafford's workstation will have plenty of room (for now, at least!)

 

[Carntyne]

The Glasgow & Edinburgh ones are Signalling Centres with some shoehorning going on, will run out of space pretty soon

Glasgow (WSSC) is referred to as the ROC now. Not sure about Edinburgh though.

 

[LAX54]

Crossrail stuff going to Romford, no? (as far as Southend I think I read).

There was a rumour that Crossrail were now not going into Romford, but I am not 100% sure that is true, did they not pay half or more towards the building of the place ?

But of course Crossrail is not Network Rail, so will not, or would not affect any NR boxes or staff.

 

[Longforgan]

Glasgow (WSSC) is referred to as the ROC now. Not sure about Edinburgh though.

Word on the street is Edinburgh will close due to space issues and 'other' concerns, and will migrate to WSSC which will require either an extension or a third floor or both. Scotland has a one ROC future.

 

[swt_passenger]

There was a rumour that Crossrail were now not going into Romford, but I am not 100% sure that is true, did they not pay half or more towards the building of the place ?

But of course Crossrail is not Network Rail, so will not, or would not affect any NR boxes or staff.

Crossrail is very much part of Network Rail outside of its own infrastructure, i.e. on the GWML west of Westbourne Park and GEML east of Pudding Mill Lane (Stratford). Surely Didcot and Romford must be involved at a signalling workstation level?

What may have happened is that Crossrail's control doesn't want to be in Romford...

 

[snowball]

The new Modern Railways has a feature on c2c and says their move from Upminster to Romford has been deferred from Christmas 2015 to October 2016.

 

[LAX54]

The new Modern Railways has a feature on c2c and says their move from Upminster to Romford has been deferred from Christmas 2015 to October 2016.

and then some, no doubt !

 

[swt_passenger]

Another puzzling article in the latest Modern Railways, Roger Ford is having a go at the Hitachi traffic management contract for Thameslink, suggesting it won't do what is wanted, and will be a bit of a waste of time for the signallers either side of the core at 'London Bridge, West Hampstead and Kings Cross'.

But surely by the time it will be installed, for 2018, it is more likely to be the concern of the three ROCs? Three Bridges (who will cover the entire core), and Derby and York?

 

[1D53]

York will get it's first signal panel next May.

 

[Bald Rick]

Another puzzling article in the latest Modern Railways, Roger Ford is having a go at the Hitachi traffic management contract for Thameslink, suggesting it won't do what is wanted, and will be a bit of a waste of time for the signallers either side of the core at 'London Bridge, West Hampstead and Kings Cross'.

But surely by the time it will be installed, for 2018, it is more likely to be the concern of the three ROCs? Three Bridges (who will cover the entire core), and Derby and York?

By 2018, the intention is to have TM active for approx 20 minutes journey time from the core, plus the whole Brighton Main line. So this would be routes signalled from TBROC, TB ASC, Kings Cross PSB, West Hampstesd PSB and Victoria PSB. The route controls concerned will be in TBROC, York ROC, and Derby ROC.

 

[Yabbadabba]

Only as regards to actual train signalling, not NR or TOC/FOC control functions also not including ECROs.

01) Glasgow Yes
02) Edinburgh Yes
03) Manchester Yes
04) York No
05) Derby Yes
06) Rugby No
07) Cardiff Yes
08) Didcot yes
09) Romford No
10) Basingstoke No
11) Three Bridges Yes
12) Gillingham Yes


Now I'm bound to be leaving myself open to be corrected now lol

06) Rugby Yes

As of this weekend, even if the signalling is being commissioned the worksation(s) will be staffed.
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By 2018, the intention is to have TM active for approx 20 minutes journey time from the core, plus the whole Brighton Main line. So this would be routes signalled from TBROC, TB ASC, Kings Cross PSB, West Hampstesd PSB and Victoria PSB. The route controls concerned will be in TBROC, York ROC, and Derby ROC.

TMS on our panels, I can't wait to see the design required to squeeze it in.

 

[lincolnshire]

York will get it's first signal panel next May.

Well who is going to look after South Humberside ( Grimsby, Barnetby , Wrawby, Elsham & Appleby and other other boxes ) when the new signalling is commissioned in January then or has its commissioning date been put back?

As the plan was it was off to York ROC.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

Basingstoke is going to be sometime yet. The project rather unsurprisingly keeps slipping backwards.

They also seem to be having fun & games with the current "new" signalling anyway, which should keep the technicians amused for a while longer.