Hartlepool - Tall Ships 2010

[37401]

Please do keep up, 2 sets of stock out between Darlington & Sunderland using DRS traction. For times, put Darlington - Sunderland into National Rail Enquries and select 'no changes', these will be the times.

Yeah, posted that then saw the gen over on WNXX

 

[OMGitsDAVE]

To backup the above posts.
Grand Central have released the "extra times" for the Tall Ships 2010, with a very nice looking page for it, too!

http://www.grandcentralrail.co.uk/TALLSHIPSTT.pdf

 

[djw1981]

I note that the dRS/Northern shuttle has only 5 mins each end to load passengers, crew change ends etc - best hoping for no delays!

 

[142094]

Most probably for pathings at Darlington, if it gets stuck there it could have to wait a while. Wonder what platform it will use?

 

[Darandio]

Won't it just squeeze into 4a?

 

[ainsworth74]

Or possibly platform 3?

 

[142094]

Not too sure, the longest set I've seen there is a 2x156. Either that or they use one of the through platforms very quickly. Platform 4a that is.

 

[Darandio]

Yeah, never even thought about 2 & 3 for some reason. Just double the 142's up in the few periods of the day there are two sets at Darlington and use P3 for the shuttles.

 

[142094]

The bays even during the week are only used for one set at a time, apart from at night when they terminate and stay there. Sure the shuttle could use one bay and the 142s be either moved to the other bay, a couple stored in 4a or if needed one of the sidings in the station used.

 

[attics26]

store anything in 4a and you pick up the delays to all trains into 4 aswell as blocking alternate route south if anything goes wrong in platform 1.
The bays do at times have more than one set - its not just at night.

 

[142094]

store anything in 4a and you pick up the delays to all trains into 4 aswell as blocking alternate route south if anything goes wrong in platform 1.
The bays do at times have more than one set - its not just at night.

I don't see how putting something into 4a creates delays for trains going into 4, Northern sometimes have their 142 on a Bishop service there and it doesn't create problems. Only problem I can see is that when it is time for the service to leave 4a southbound, this would require anything going north into 4 to be held south of Darlington, although the shuttle could be planned in advance to make use of the small leeway between trains going north.

As for the bays, normally the terminating 142 from Saltburn forms the next train back after a half hour wait. The only time I can think of them having more than one set in each bay platform is early morning, late night and just after rush hour.

 

[attics26]

I don't see how putting something into 4a creates delays for trains going into 4, Northern sometimes have their 142 on a Bishop service there and it doesn't create problems. Only problem I can see is that when it is time for the service to leave 4a southbound, this would require anything going north into 4 to be held south of Darlington, although the shuttle could be planned in advance to make use of the small leeway between trains going north.

As for the bays, normally the terminating 142 from Saltburn forms the next train back after a half hour wait. The only time I can think of them having more than one set in each bay platform is early morning, late night and just after rush hour.

anything in 4a causes a delay to a train into 4 from the south - if its timetabled then its no problem because its included but anything additional in 4a the cost of the delay goes with it - quite simple really.

and working at darlo for over 30 years I know the inward service usually makes the next departure but not always - as it happens the workings for Tall Ships weekend appear to use platforms 1,2 and 3 for the shuttle fitting in between the scheduled services with the early morning Sunday services using platform 1 even though the station shuts as midnight - sure management will sort that out.

 

[Darandio]

anything in 4a causes a delay to a train into 4 from the south - if its timetabled then its no problem because its included but anything additional in 4a the cost of the delay goes with it - quite simple really.

How exactly? Travelling 15mph less for 128 metres doesn't seem much to me?

 

[142094]

anything in 4a causes a delay to a train into 4 from the south - if its timetabled then its no problem because its included but anything additional in 4a the cost of the delay goes with it - quite simple really.

I still don't see how it would cause delay, the extra trains would be timetabled to run between normal services and it doesn't make a huge amount of difference to anything going into platform 4. Any train from the Middlesbrough branch has to cross the ECML to get to the station so it wouldn't make much difference what platform it was going into.

 

[beatbox]

2 sets of DRS top and tail locos( most likely 47 and 57) to work 6 or 7 return trips between Sunderland and Darlington through out event.

 

[scottspencer]

Wrong with both locos - 37s

 

[amn140174]

Passed on from someone from Northern a couple of weeks ago

Diagrams For Saturday 07 August 2010

2Z01 0749 Newcastle - Darlington
2Z02 0932 Darlington - Sunderland
ZZ03 1056 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z04 1215 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z05 1318 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z06 1443 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z07 1555 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z08 1712 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z09 1818 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z10 1949 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z11 2057 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z12 2207 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z13 2325 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z14 0030 Darlington - Newcastle

2Z21 0845 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z22 0955 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z23 1119 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z24 1217 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z25 1344 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z26 1456 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z27 1617 Darlington - Hartlepool
2Z28 1657 Hartlepool - Darlington
2Z29 1745 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z30 1911 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z31 2047 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z32 2212 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z33 2342 Darlington - Newcastle

Will Post Sunday, Monday and Tuesday when I get time, unless someone beats me to it.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Diagrams for Sunday 8th August 2010

2Z01 0820 Newcastle - Darlington
2Z02 0944 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z03 1055 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z04 1207 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z05 1313 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z06 1427 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z07 1528 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z08 1632 Darlington - Hartlepool
2Z09 1722 Hartlepool - Darlington
2Z10 1826 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z11 1926 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z12 2050 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z13 2156 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z14 2300 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z15 0004 Sunderland - Darlington

2Z21 0836 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z22 0940 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z23 1050 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z24 1154 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z25 1302 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z26 1410 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z27 1550 Darlington - Hartlepool
2Z28 1634 Hartlepool - Darlington
2Z29 1744 Darlington - Hartlepool
2Z30 1822 Hartlepool - Darlington
2Z31 1953 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z32 2056 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z33 2207 Darlington - Sunderland
2Z34 2312 Sunderland - Darlington
2Z35 0027 Darlington - Newcastle

Monday and Tuesday to follow, after a few hours sleep this time.

 

[87019Chris]

are the timings for the DRS Loco haulage confirmed or are they yet to be confirmed and any clues to what locos will be on the trains or is that not avilable yet
thanks in advance
87019chris

Cheers for the timings by the way

 

[OMGitsDAVE]

Well:/
It's already very full here in hartlepool, I had to wait 40 minutes for my local bus as it was overcrowded on every other one (they run every 10 minutes), trains still 2-carriages, so its pretty crowded there too.

 

[wensley]

are the timings for the drs loco haulage confirmed or are they yet to be confirmed and any clues to what locos will be on the trains or is that not avilable yet:d
thanks in advance
87019chris

cheers for the timings by the way

47712 47802 57004 57009 :d

 

[theblackwatch]

47712 47802 57004 57009 :d

Hopefully my red pen will be out tomorrow!

 

[Chester025]

Hopefully my red pen will be out tomorrow!

Nedding a duff, shame on you!

 

[theblackwatch]

Nedding a duff, shame on you!

I've had plenty of opportunities to have it in the past, but have never been prepared to go far for it. Now is the ideal chance. Given that it was a former ECML machine (as 552) and then a XC one as a twank, I think I've done pretty well not to have had it before!

 

[Chester025]

I've had plenty of opportunities to have it in the past, but have never been prepared to go far for it. Now is the ideal chance. Given that it was a former ECML machine (as 552) and then a XC one as a twank, I think I've done pretty well not to have had it before!

Well I need '712, but I'm purely there to scratch the 57s of course...

 

[theblackwatch]

Well I need '712, but I'm purely there to scratch the 57s of course...

At least I haven't tried using some other excuse like that for scratching it in!

 

[87015]

57004 was quite good* in Anglia, much louder than your average ronnie and without quite the volume a bit 071 like.

Don't know what playing around they have done with it but with a comfy MkIII and a big GM screaming away on the front, leaving Acle could almost have been Athenry or similar...

* Modern traction standards

 

[43167]

Did these today.The set with 47712+57004 managed to be within 10mins of the shedule most of the day, only been delayed at Seaham due to the long signal section on the up.

However 57009+47802 were delayed on their 1st trip of the day by about 45mins & were behind badly until mid afternoon when 1443 Darlington-Sunderland they worked terminated at Hartlepool so they could get on time.

But a good day anyway & after the 1st round trip, went to York & dropped onto the Pathfinder trip with 67029, so did that back to Hartlepool, then dropping back onto ship-ex's.

Just like the old days with diesel hauled service trains in the north east.

 

[OMGitsDAVE]

Did these today.The set with 47712+57004 managed to be within 10mins of the shedule most of the day, only been delayed at Seaham due to the long signal section on the up.

However 57009+47802 were delayed on their 1st trip of the day by about 45mins & were behind badly until mid afternoon when 1443 Darlington-Sunderland they worked terminated at Hartlepool so they could get on time.

Haha, i remember this. People expected a Sunderland train, and I had to take the stick explaining its terminating, and that they must wait for the 4-carriage Northern!

I must have seen you today at some point. I was one of those in the orange High-Vis jackets!

 

[Darandio]

43167, you werent the one always hanging out of the window with a green top on were you?

 

[OMGitsDAVE]

43167, you werent the one always hanging out of the window with a green top on were you?

Just about to ask the same thing!