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Hartlepool - Tall Ships 2010

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Heard from a few locals (some with connections with Northern) that the Council has actually sponsored 6-coach workings to and from Hartlepool between 10am and 12am (midnight) during the Tall Ships 2010, which occurs the 7th August - 10th August.

Anyone confirm this?

(Sorry about lack of grammar, im in a hurry)
 
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Sounds interesting! But have they got enough spare sets lying around?

I also remember the last time they were at Newcastle and many services in and out of there were absolutely heaving. I reckon Grand Central should do a brisk trade that week.
 

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Surely there are loads of spare sets on a Saturday?

What about the Monday and Tuesday?

Also, I am not sure about other diagrams worked in the area but Darlington to Saltburn receives practically the same service on a Saturday than weekday. I presume it may be similar for the other "more important" sections.
 

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ill say what everyone wants to hear.....


Patherfinder are running a tour with 67s
 

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....................and Leander is arriving on the Monday from Leeds on a sold out tour! I wonder where she'll be stabled during the stopover. Maybe she could do a couple of runs to Middlesbrough and back!!!!:D
 

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What about the Monday and Tuesday?

Also, I am not sure about other diagrams worked in the area but Darlington to Saltburn receives practically the same service on a Saturday than weekday. I presume it may be similar for the other "more important" sections.
On most parts of the Northern network, trains at 'peak' time are longer than off-peak. There will be plenty of spare sets available by 10am. The only problem would be that many of these sets will be spare in places like Leeds or Manchester. Are trains into Newcastle & Middlesbrough not longer at peak time?
 

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Are trains into Newcastle & Middlesbrough not longer at peak time?

Not one that I know of. In fact, I don't think we even have one doubled up set in the area.

Someone will no doubt correct but the last I ever remember was summer services doubled up to Whitby many moons ago.
 

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Not one that I know of. In fact, I don't think we even have one doubled up set in the area.

I've never seen doubled up set in the middlesbrough area so I suspect your not far off the mark.
 

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Are trains into Newcastle & Middlesbrough not longer at peak time?
Nope, not at all. Peak services are exactly the same as the off-peak, i.e. 2 car 142s or 156s. The only time you see pairs of units running around Newcastle or Middlesborough on the Tyne Valley or Durham Coast lines is usually if one has failed, or the occasional service is strengthened to 4 cars during major events such as big Newcastle or Sunderland footie games, or the Sunderland airshow.

The Saturday diagrams seem to be fairly similar to the weekdays, so I don't think it is possible that there would be enough spare stock to strengthen the majority of services to 6 carriages, as I say, the maximum Heaton is able to stretch to is the odd 4 car for special events.

Heard from a few locals (some with connections with Northern) that the Council has actually sponsored 6-coach workings to and from Hartlepool between 10am and 12am (midnight) during the Tall Ships 2010, which occurs the 7th August - 10th August.
It was reported a few months ago that Northern would be hiring in top and tail DRS locos and stock for the Hartlepool Tall Ships, which is what the promise of 6 carriage trains suggests to me, but I haven't heard much of that idea recently, but that seems most likely.

Tell you what though, a 6 carriage 142 lash up would be quite a sight to see! <D
 

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Well northern seem to like DRS and im sure they have 6 coaches somewhere so...maybe

if it happens I hope it runs late into the night, cant have the yorkshire yoof running up and down the coaches
 

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Well northern seem to like DRS and im sure they have 6 coaches somewhere so...maybe

if it happens I hope it runs late into the night, cant have the yorkshire yoof running up and down the coaches

I am sure that they could fish a few extra units out of Leeds and Manchester by borrowing the maintenance spares for a few days. Risky but that is how both Virgin and East Coast added some of the extra seats during the ash problems and other operators do it as well. You know it is happening in advance so just make sure that you have no units having exams on those days and plan to do them either side of the event.

In Central trains days they had other ways of doing it, bearing in mind that it is the school holidays they may decide to reduce the length of trains on certain routes to release stock for the Hartlepool area. You would find trains normally running with 3 coaches only getting 2 in the summer holidays with the unit going to Skegness. Likewise during the Lincoln Christmas market some routes would have to put up with a 153 so the 156's could cover Lincoln's peak flows.
 

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I am sure that they could fish a few extra units out of Leeds and Manchester by borrowing the maintenance spares for a few days. Risky but that is how both Virgin and East Coast added some of the extra seats during the ash problems and other operators do it as well. You know it is happening in advance so just make sure that you have no units having exams on those days and plan to do them either side of the event.

In Central trains days they had other ways of doing it, bearing in mind that it is the school holidays they may decide to reduce the length of trains on certain routes to release stock for the Hartlepool area. You would find trains normally running with 3 coaches only getting 2 in the summer holidays with the unit going to Skegness. Likewise during the Lincoln Christmas market some routes would have to put up with a 153 so the 156's could cover Lincoln's peak flows.


Ahh, ta for that one chap :)
 

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Northern have done the doubled up 142s on the Durham Coast line before, normally at Christmas and when the football derbies are on. So if they could get the extra stock from somewhere (few must sit at Heaton outside the peak) it would help.
 

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Have been through to Hartlepool today and was reading the local council newsletter. Had a bit more information in it about the extra services to be run on the Durham Coast line due to the Tall Ships. The special shuttle will be used from Sunderland to Darlington, calling only at Hartlepool, but timings have yet to be finalised. Also it mentioned extra Grand Central services after 10pm (approx) from Sunderland to York. Northern were also expected to put additional stock on their normal services throughout the event.

If I find out more I'll post it here.
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Just noticed this thread again, couldn't find it last night. Supposedly work at the station has now finished, and the interchange is coming along well. Yesterday they were doing some tarmacing. Station Road is still closed to cars, so will have a look next week to see what progres has been made.
 
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Have been through to Hartlepool today and was reading the local council newsletter. Had a bit more information in it about the extra services to be run on the Durham Coast line due to the Tall Ships. The special shuttle will be used from Sunderland to Darlington, calling only at Hartlepool, but timings have yet to be finalised. Also it mentioned extra Grand Central services after 10pm (approx) from Sunderland to York. Northern were also expected to put additional stock on their normal services throughout the event.

If I find out more I'll post it here.
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Just noticed this thread again, couldn't find it last night. Supposedly work at the station has now finished, and the interchange is coming along well. Yesterday they were doing some tarmacing. Station Road is still closed to cars, so will have a look next week to see what progres has been made.

Great news!
How many of you will actually be heading to Hartlepool then? Since I live here, ill be one of them:D There's plenty of temporary double-yellow lines on the roads now! Interchange is looking good, bus stops finished and departure boards implemented.
 

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Please do keep up, 2 sets of stock out between Darlington & Sunderland using DRS traction. For times, put Darlington - Sunderland into National Rail Enquries and select 'no changes', these will be the times.
 

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2 loco hauled sets(4 coaches + class 47's) will be hired by Northern to run shuttles fri/sat/sun/mon 6-9th August returning to Heaton depot each night for servicing.
 

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Great news!
How many of you will actually be heading to Hartlepool then? Since I live here, ill be one of them:D There's plenty of temporary double-yellow lines on the roads now! Interchange is looking good, bus stops finished and departure boards implemented.

Temporary? Looked rather permanent last week!

Rather surprised to see 2x37s on the Seaton flask again last week as well. Thought it had gone over to 57s.
 

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2 loco hauled sets(4 coaches + class 47's) will be hired by Northern to run shuttles fri/sat/sun/mon 6-9th August returning to Heaton depot each night for servicing.
How many class 47s do they have and how many are booked to be in use, overall (including in the Anglia region) ?
 

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From the "HartlepoolNOW Website"
http://www.hartlepoolnow.co.uk/569/the-tall-ships-races-2010/train-services.html

Hartlepool Borough Council has worked with train operators to add extra carriages to existing trains, plus some late services. Plans include:

•Northern Rail services will run to their usual timetable with additional carriages between 7 am and 9.20 pm.
•Grand Central will run a normal service but an extra two trains will run from Sunderland to York between 10 pm and 11.30 pm.
•There will be additional hourly shuttle services between 8 am and midnight from Sunderland to Darlington calling only at Hartlepool. Exact timings for this service are still to be confirmed.
For further public transport information, visit www.connectteesvalley.com.

Park & Ride, Park & Walk, Shuttle Buses also available.


Temporary? Looked rather permanent last week!

Rather surprised to see 2x37s on the Seaton flask again last week as well. Thought it had gone over to 57s.
Yeah, they're temporary until September I do believe.
Received my Tall Ships Parking pass yesterday, don't know why because i'm only 16, and can't drive!
 

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How many class 47s do they have and how many are booked to be in use, overall (including in the Anglia region) ?

501, 712, 790, 802, 832 & another i think recently off overhaul. One will be in anglia for the Yarmouths on saturday.

I should appearing on the 8th. And hopefully at least one other day should work permit. I expect a tyne-tees day ranger will be just the ticket to have.
 

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I suspect its likely to be class 47s top and tailed with a 57. If there are two loco hauled sets then drs would be unlikely to provide 4 47s as it would only leave 1 for East Anglia.
 

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Yeah, they're temporary until September I do believe.
Received my Tall Ships Parking pass yesterday, don't know why because i'm only 16, and can't drive!

Lot of paint to remove in September then!

Went past the station on Monday, have to say they made a good job of it. Just now waiting for the bus interchange to be finished now.
 

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The Grand Central timetable looks interesting! ;)
Hartlepool - Darlington :o
Hartlepool - York 0005 Saturday the 7th.....or is it 0005 Sunday the 8th? and then 2330 Monday the 9th

I hope the Rat Race stays open late :lol:
 
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