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Hi all,
Looking for advice here. I have been given a £1100 pre-settlement offer by GWR for a journey on 4 May 2024; deadline in 21 days.

I had purchased 2 tickets, one for me with no railcard, one for my younger family friend with a 16-17 railcard. When the inspector asked for my ticket, I gave him the wrong one and then got flustered and annoyed due to a migraine. They then took down my details on the day and I never heard back from them until today. They have now sent me an email with a list of over 35 journeys where I used railcards that they are claiming I didn't have the right to. I explained that they were for my young family friend, and that some of them are for my mother who has a Network Railcard, which I have sent them a copy of. I also sent them the non-railcard ticket for 4 May which I should have showed the inspector in the first place. What are my options? I feel terribly stressed and panicked by the whole thing.
 
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Hi all,
Looking for advice here. I have been given a £1100 pre-settlement offer by GWR for a journey on 4 May 2024; deadline in 21 days.

I had purchased 2 tickets, one for me with no railcard, one for my younger family friend with a 16-17 railcard. When the inspector asked for my ticket, I gave him the wrong one and then got flustered and annoyed due to a migraine. They then took down my details on the day and I never heard back from them until today. They have now sent me an email with a list of over 35 journeys where I used railcards that they are claiming I didn't have the right to. I explained that they were for my young family friend, and that some of them are for my mother who has a Network Railcard, which I have sent them a copy of. I also sent them the non-railcard ticket for 4 May which I should have showed the inspector in the first place. What are my options? I feel terribly stressed and panicked by the whole thing.
Welcome to the forum.

In the first place, you need to see what GWR come back to you with. But assuming the worst, and that they don't believe anything you have told them. go though the list they sent you in great detail. For each journey, can you show that the ticket was for someone who was entitled to use it? Can you get those people to confirm in writing that it was for them - and if it comes to it, they'd be prepared to stand up in court to say so?

As you've already replied to GWR, you don;t need to send them anything else just yet - butit's worth having your answer ready to hand in case you do need it.
 

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Hi all,
Looking for advice here. I have been given a £1100 pre-settlement offer by GWR for a journey on 4 May 2024; deadline in 21 days.

I had purchased 2 tickets, one for me with no railcard, one for my younger family friend with a 16-17 railcard. When the inspector asked for my ticket, I gave him the wrong one and then got flustered and annoyed due to a migraine. They then took down my details on the day and I never heard back from them until today. They have now sent me an email with a list of over 35 journeys where I used railcards that they are claiming I didn't have the right to. I explained that they were for my young family friend, and that some of them are for my mother who has a Network Railcard, which I have sent them a copy of. I also sent them the non-railcard ticket for 4 May which I should have showed the inspector in the first place. What are my options? I feel terribly stressed and panicked by the whole thing.
So you're looking at a civil claim here where proof will be decided on the balance of probabilities - that is "is thing thing more likely than it is not likely?" not a "beyond reasonable doubt" burden of proof.

So we need to get some things straight. Please directly answer all questions in bold:

Did your "younger family friend" travel with you on the journey where they stopped you? What sort of ticket was it *exactly*, what is the origin and destination, and how much did it cost? And, with your own "legit ticket", please tell us the same.

Is it true that all the 16-17 fares on your account are for your "young family friend"? Be honest. Did you send GWR proof of their railcard as you did with your mother's Network Railcard?

Do the 16-17 fares all mirror your own journeys?
Literally the first thing that pops into my head is GWR suspecting something like:

- Person buys a full price, refundable, open ticket
- Person also buys a 16-17 saver ticket
- Person routinely shows the 16-17 saver ticket in the hope they don't get asked for the railcard
- If they do, they say "oops sorry, wrong ticket" and then present the full price one
- If they don't, the full price one remains valid for another go at the wheeze, or will be otherwise refunded

Have GWR sent you a spreadsheet of fares avoided? If so, show us this, with your name redacted for your own privacy.

The good news is a civil court will only award the actual loss to GWR, rather than a claim for full fares, so you can start negotiating with them, but it is important we understand exactly what has happened and exactly what GWR suspect and exactly what a court may do with interpreting the evidence.
 

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Did your "younger family friend" travel with you on the journey where they stopped you? What sort of ticket was it *exactly*, what is the origin and destination, and how much did it cost? And, with your own "legit ticket", please tell us the same.
They were both London Paddington - Paignton Super Off Peak Returns. Full price one was £118 and discounted was £59.35.
Is it true that all the 16-17 fares on your account are for your "young family friend"? Be honest. Did you send GWR proof of their railcard as you did with your mother's Network Railcard?
I did not send them proof of the 16-17 railcard. To be honest, I'm too embarassed to ask them for their railcard and to drag them into this, especially as they are a minor. I would say that 90% of the tickets were for my family friend ...
Do the 16-17 fares all mirror your own journeys? Literally the first thing that pops into my head is GWR suspecting something like:

- Person buys a full price, refundable, open ticket
- Person also buys a 16-17 saver ticket
- Person routinely shows the 16-17 saver ticket in the hope they don't get asked for the railcard
- If they do, they say "oops sorry, wrong ticket" and then present the full price one
- If they don't, the full price one remains valid for another go at the wheeze, or will be otherwise refunded
Nope, there were only one or two journeys where I had both a 16-17 ticket AND a full price ticket. Plus this is a journey I only ever did twice.
Have GWR sent you a spreadsheet of fares avoided? If so, show us this, with your name redacted for your own privacy.

The good news is a civil court will only award the actual loss to GWR, rather than a claim for full fares, so you can start negotiating with them, but it is important we understand exactly what has happened and exactly what GWR suspect and exactly what a court may do with interpreting the evidence.
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Welcome to the forum.

In the first place, you need to see what GWR come back to you with. But assuming the worst, and that they don't believe anything you have told them. go though the list they sent you in great detail. For each journey, can you show that the ticket was for someone who was entitled to use it? Can you get those people to confirm in writing that it was for them - and if it comes to it, they'd be prepared to stand up in court to say so?

As you've already replied to GWR, you don;t need to send them anything else just yet - butit's worth having your answer ready to hand in case you do need it.
Would it be possible to prove that I was in a different place at the time of each of the journeys instead of having to ask this person to effectively testify?
 

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They were both London Paddington - Paignton Super Off Peak Returns. Full price one was £118 and discounted was £59.35.
Was your "young family friend" with you on the journey? Why was this misunderstanding not easily resolved - which surely it would be if the young person was wirh you? There were two tickets, so where's the other person?

I did not send them proof of the 16-17 railcard. To be honest, I'm too embarassed to ask them for their railcard and to drag them into this, especially as they are a minor. I would say that 90% of the tickets were for my family friend ...
They are already "dragged into it" I'm afraid.

You need to get that railcard and send it to them. Like, get on it today. Won't be difficult if you've been buying tickets for them, this gives you plenty of excuse to see a copy of it.

If GWR don't see that railcard they will reasonably conclude it doesn't exist, and a court may well conclude the same.
 

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I did not send them proof of the 16-17 railcard. To be honest, I'm too embarassed to ask them for their railcard and to drag them into this, especially as they are a minor. I would say that 90% of the tickets were for my family friend ...

You may find that GWR are rather skeptical about this.
 

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They were both London Paddington - Paignton Super Off Peak Returns. Full price one was £118 and discounted was £59.35.

I did not send them proof of the 16-17 railcard. To be honest, I'm too embarassed to ask them for their railcard and to drag them into this, especially as they are a minor. I would say that 90% of the tickets were for my family friend ...

Nope, there were only one or two journeys where I had both a 16-17 ticket AND a full price ticket. Plus this is a journey I only ever did twice.

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Would it be possible to prove that I was in a different place at the time of each of the journeys instead of having to ask this person to effectively testify?
is that your real name on the XL sheet title (and in your user name)? if so you may want to amend the doc title on the xl sheet and change user name to retain anonymity.
 

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They travelled separately, on an earlier train I believe.

Could I send evidence of being out of the country on the dates of the tickets instead?

Also what is my court liability? I suppose similar to other threads, that no criminal liability unless they go via fraud route?
 

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They travelled separately, on an earlier train I believe.
Do you have any proof of that? Why didn't you travel together? These are questions GWR and the court will ask.

Could I send evidence of being out of the country on the dates of the tickets instead?
I think they'll definitely want to see the Railcard given anyone can knock up a fake flight ticket confirmation or hotel booking on Canva or by editing their emails.

Also what is my court liability? I suppose similar to other threads, that no criminal liability unless they go via fraud route?
They could make a fraud case if there is clear evidence of dishonesty, but this would be exceptional. Your liability if for the loss to GWR, which will be decided on the balance of probabilities. It will not look good if you cannot get hold of that railcard.

I'd be straight into asking the other party for their railcard. It is what GWR want to see, quite reasonably. Do that today.
 

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Do you have any proof of that? Why didn't you travel together? These are questions GWR and the court will ask.


I think they'll definitely want to see the Railcard given anyone can knock up a fake flight ticket confirmation or hotel booking on Canva or by editing their emails.


They could make a fraud case if there is clear evidence of dishonesty, but this would be exceptional. Your liability if for the loss to GWR, which will be decided on the balance of probabilities. It will not look good if you cannot get hold of that railcard.

I'd be straight into asking the other party for their railcard. It is what GWR want to see, quite reasonably. Do that today.

They travelled earlier than me because they had a flight to catch, but can't locate the details now after 2 years. Tickets were always booked as different times since we were expecting to travel at different times.

I just asked for their railcard but it was a physical railcard which they no longer have, and it has obviously expired now since it was only 1-year railcard. What to do now?! I fear flight tickets and passport stamps might be my best bet. They've managed to send me a screenshot of the railcard payment they made on their bank statement.
 
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To be fair this has been done but a flurry of posts has been made on several threads asking for updates.
Is this not permitted? Sorry, I'm new here and have been reading around this subject, but lots of the threads didn't seem to have a final resolution so I wasn't sure what to take from them...

Indeed, I have started my own thread
 

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Welcome to the forum.

In the first place, you need to see what GWR come back to you with. But assuming the worst, and that they don't believe anything you have told them. go though the list they sent you in great detail. For each journey, can you show that the ticket was for someone who was entitled to use it? Can you get those people to confirm in writing that it was for them - and if it comes to it, they'd be prepared to stand up in court to say so?

As you've already replied to GWR, you don;t need to send them anything else just yet - butit's worth having your answer ready to hand in case you do need it.
Do these things usually go into a back and forth which then delays the 21-day deadline? Or do they immediately go to proceedings if they haven't received payment by the deadline? I'm so nervous waiting for GWR's resposne that I'm tempted to just pay the fine
 

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Do these things usually go into a back and forth which then delays the 21-day deadline? Or do they immediately go to proceedings if they haven't received payment by the deadline? I'm so nervous waiting for GWR's resposne that I'm tempted to just pay the fine
GWR are well out of time to prosecute you, so criminal proceedings anre out of the question. As far as I know (not an expert by any means), civil procedure rules require both parties to act reasonably to attempt to come to an agreement outside of court, extending deadlines as necessary to enable this.

I just want to double check that this occurred in 2024, not 2025? Even if it was 2025 they’d still be out of time, I just want to make sure we’ve got the details right.
 

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Is this not permitted? Sorry, I'm new here and have been reading around this subject, but lots of the threads didn't seem to have a final resolution so I wasn't sure what to take from them...

Indeed, I have started my own thread
AFAIK it's permitted to ask people, but often they are long gone from the forum so you may get no reply and some people do it to get their own advice and then the threads can all get a bit confusing with facts of each case muddled up to readers scanning over them.
 

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GWR are well out of time to prosecute you, so criminal proceedings anre out of the question. As far as I know (not an expert by any means), civil procedure rules require both parties to act reasonably to attempt to come to an agreement outside of court, extending deadlines as necessary to enable this.

I just want to double check that this occurred in 2024, not 2025? Even if it was 2025 they’d still be out of time, I just want to make sure we’ve got the details right.
Yep 2024! In fact, I called them about 10 months after the incident to tell them I hadn't heard yet, and GWR told me that the case had been dropped! So I was pretty shocked to receive the letter today
 

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AFAIK it's permitted to ask people, but often they are long gone from the forum so you may get no reply and some people do it to get their own advice and then the threads can all get a bit confusing with facts of each case muddled up to readers scanning over them.
Got you - I'm so confused as to how these disputes get resolved. Obviously some people just pay it outright, but I can't see much about the amounts getting reduced or written off. Or do GWR just stop pursuing them and the person never hears back again? Would love to know if anyone knows of the outcomes.
 

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Got you - I'm so confused as to how these disputes get resolved. Obviously some people just pay it outright, but I can't see much about the amounts getting reduced or written off. Or do GWR just stop pursuing them and the person never hears back again? Would love to know if anyone knows of the outcomes.
to answer this question most cases are brought within the 6 months that railway companies can bring a criminal prosecution. Most of those cases where the passenger / evader engages get settled out of court. The sums tend not to get negotiated down because the railway has the ability to bring a criminal prosecution against the person without the valid ticket and people wish to avoid a criminal record. People who don't engage get automatically taken to court, prosecuted and fined by the court for the evasion of the fare involved, and if they don't pay the court fine etc eventually court bailiffs knock on their door or an attachment of earning for the court debt is set up etc. Very few if any would just not be pursued because the railway can guarantee a conviction based on catching the fare evader red handed.

But

More recently some train companies have been investigating old cases where there is suspicious digital records and seeking sums / debts for cases older than 6 months through the process of claiming a civil court debt (not a criminal court case). This is what seems to be happening to you AIUI. There are a handful of cases of this on the forum. Advice on that is of course being given in your thread.
 

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to answer this question most cases are brought within the 6 months that railway companies can bring a criminal prosecution. Most of those cases where the passenger / evader engages get settled out of court. The sums tend not to get negotiated down because the railway has the ability to bring a criminal prosecution against the person without the valid ticket and people wish to avoid a criminal record. People who don't engage get automatically taken to court, prosecuted and fined by the court for the evasion of the fare involved, and if they don't pay the court fine etc eventually court bailiffs knock on their door or an attachment of earning for the court debt is set up etc. Very few if any would just not be pursued because the railway can guarantee a conviction based on catching the fare evader red handed.

But

More recently some train companies have been investigating old cases where there is suspicious digital records and seeking sums / debts for cases older than 6 months through the process of claiming a civil court debt (not a criminal court case). This is what seems to be happening to you AIUI. There are a handful of cases of this on the forum. Advice on that is of course being given in your thread.
Yep, definitely interested in the cases which are over 6 months ago. Hard to understand what happens with those cases usually. I've provided some additional information and I'm wondering what I'm likely to see over the next couple of weeks until the deadline. My main question is do these things usually go into a back and forth which then delays the 21-day deadline? Or do they immediately go to proceedings if they haven't received payment by the deadline? I'm so nervous waiting for GWR's resposne that I'm tempted to just pay the fine
 

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Let's suppose you can produce substantive evidence which demonstrates to GWR that their claim is unjustified in whole or in part. You might be able to provide corroboration of the railcard and/or explain the pattern of ticket purchases to their satisfaction. If they think you are engaging constructively with a view to reaching a settlement, the clock will stop while they consider your evidence. If they think you are playing for time and stringing them along, it won't.

I think the bigger issue though is, as usual, reaching an out of court settlement versus going to court, even the civil court. Suppose you have 100 per cent confidence that everything you have done re GWR is completely above board and can be evidenced and supported by documentary evidence, witness statements etc, then in your shoes I would be telling them that and engaging with them.

The first step though is to answer to yourself the questions in post 3 above and then decide on the basis of that where you are in the triangle between accepting their claim, negotiating and 'see you in court'.
 

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Do these things usually go into a back and forth which then delays the 21-day deadline? Or do they immediately go to proceedings if they haven't received payment by the deadline? I'm so nervous waiting for GWR's resposne that I'm tempted to just pay the fine
If you are engaging with them, maybe questioning some of the journeys (e.g. when you were out of the country), then the deadline becomes less important. They want this sorted, and would rather not have the hassle of taking you to Court, so if they can agree an out of Court settlement both parties are happy with, then that will be a result.

I'm a bit worried by the bit about you being tempted to 'just pay the fine'. If you've done nothing wrong, then why do you want to pay them £1,100?
 

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Let's suppose you can produce substantive evidence which demonstrates to GWR that their claim is unjustified in whole or in part. You might be able to provide corroboration of the railcard and/or explain the pattern of ticket purchases to their satisfaction. If they think you are engaging constructively with a view to reaching a settlement, the clock will stop while they consider your evidence. If they think you are playing for time and stringing them along, it won't.

I think the bigger issue though is, as usual, reaching an out of court settlement versus going to court, even the civil court. Suppose you have 100 per cent confidence that everything you have done re GWR is completely above board and can be evidenced and supported by documentary evidence, witness statements etc, then in your shoes I would be telling them that and engaging with them.

The first step though is to answer to yourself the questions in post 3 above and then decide on the basis of that where you are in the triangle between accepting their claim, negotiating and 'see you in court'.
That's good advice, I think it's quite clear I'm in the negotiation part. Thanks for answering regarding the clock stopping during negotiations. I wrote a rather apologetic and earnest response, so I'm hoping that is looked upon kindly.
I'm a bit worried by the bit about you being tempted to 'just pay the fine'. If you've done nothing wrong, then why do you want to pay them £1,100?
Honestly, just to have certainty; my fear is that they will revoke the settlement which would force me to go to court which is really not something I am comfortable doing.

My remaining issues are
1) proving the existence of the 16-17 expired physical railcard which nobody seems to have access to, bar a bank transaction.
2) providing proof in the form of flight bookings won't be deemed proof enough
3) the fear above that they will revoke the out-of-court settlement
 

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Yep, definitely interested in the cases which are over 6 months ago. Hard to understand what happens with those cases usually. I've provided some additional information and I'm wondering what I'm likely to see over the next couple of weeks until the deadline. My main question is do these things usually go into a back and forth which then delays the 21-day deadline? Or do they immediately go to proceedings if they haven't received payment by the deadline? I'm so nervous waiting for GWR's resposne that I'm tempted to just pay the fine
This isn't a 'fine' by the way - it's a demand for payment of the fares they think you owe as I understand it.

This case may have some similarities that you might want to read through

But in my view (as per info in your own thread) if your not minded to obtain proof of the relative who has the 16-17 railcard and evidence of that railcard (which by doing so affords to chance of reducing the sum being demanded of you substantially) they I don't think you are going to get very far because I imagine they don't believe that railcard or that person exists.....

but if you are lying to them things could unravel pretty seriously.

but if you have done nothing wrong why would you want to pay them the large sum they are demanding...
 

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Hi, yes I've read that thread but unfortunately can't see the outcome of that case either!

I have asked for proof of the railcard but, as mentioned on my own thread, it was a physical railcard which lasted one year (from 2023-2024). So they no longer have the card; all they have is the bank transaction. I'm at a loss as to how else to prove the existence of this from literally Aug 2023 - May 2024. I paid for loads of tickets and these railcard tickets make up a percentage of them, amongst non-discounted tickets. I can't even remember exactly which of my family and friends each ticket was purchased for.

I am tempted to pay the sum purely to be sure that it doesn't end up in court.
 

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Re the flight bookings - I assume you’ll have stamps in your passport where the dates match up? Now I’m not suggesting you start sending them photos of your passport, but assuming there are corroborating date stamps you could tell them that and say that if necessary you’d be happy to explore a secure way of demonstrating them.
 

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Re the flight bookings - I assume you’ll have stamps in your passport where the dates match up? Now I’m not suggesting you start sending them photos of your passport, but assuming there are corroborating date stamps you could tell them that and say that if necessary you’d be happy to explore a secure way of demonstrating them.
I've just had a look and because I was in the EU and travelling on an EU passport I have no stamps! Just flight bookings ....

I wonder if I'm getting ahead of myself, I suppose I should just wait and see what they say. I did have a valid non-railcard ticket on the day of travel which was scanned and marked as used on the day, so proves no intent to then refund it. Perhaps this will mean they let up regarding all the historical tickets.
 

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Re the flight bookings - I assume you’ll have stamps in your passport where the dates match up? Now I’m not suggesting you start sending them photos of your passport, but assuming there are corroborating date stamps you could tell them that and say that if necessary you’d be happy to explore a secure way of demonstrating them.
Or did you make debit/credit card purchases while you were away - this could prove you were not in the country.
 

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Was the railcard purchased online or at a station?
At the station.

This is what I responded with

"Dear GWR Revenue Recovery Team,

I am writing with deep respect and sincere apologies regarding the concerns raised about the use of a 16–17 Railcard on journeys linked to my account. I fully understand the seriousness of this matter, and I want to express how genuinely upset and distressed I am that my actions have been interpreted as misuse. I purchase tickets for many people within my community, which is how this misunderstanding came to be (explained further below).

1. Incident on 4 May 2024
With regard to the incident on 4 May 2024, on the day I spoke with the conductor, this was an extremely unfortunate and upsetting misunderstanding. I had purchased two tickets: one discounted ticket for my family friend, who was travelling separately, and a standard ticket for myself. When approached, I accidentally handed over the wrong ticket and panicked, especially because I had a throbbing migraine. In the bodycam footage, I think it would be seen that I had my head on the table due to the pain, and this, coupled with the panic, meant that instead of calmly explaining, I became flustered and annoyed, which I deeply regret. Please find attached the correct ticket that I purchased for my own use on that day, which had no discount applied. I believe this renders the fine incorrect.

2. Network Railcard Tickets

All tickets purchased using the Network Railcard charges were tickets I purchased for my mother. I can prove that those were discounts I legitimately obtained for her travel, as her Network Railcards are attached to this email.

3. 16-17 Railcard

All tickets purchased with the 16–17 Railcard were for young family friends whom I often support and sometimes travel with. As a young person who is very involved in my community, I frequently help younger individuals with travel arrangements, including buying their tickets when needed. I now understand how this may have appeared from your perspective, but I want to emphasise that there was absolutely no intention to misuse a railcard or obtain a fare to which I was not entitled. As shown in point 1, on 4 May 2024, I had purchased my own non-discounted return tickets (which had been scanned before encountering the inspector) for that journey. I obviously wouldn't have done that if I were planning to refund them or misuse them. Back in 2024, I raised an email and phone enquiry about this case to try to resolve it and explain what happened. When I phoned on 10 September 2024, they told me that if I hadn't heard anything that the case had been dropped. The email enquiry was also returned with 'no case found', meaning I was never able to clarify the issue at the time (email thread attached).

I would also like to respectfully note that unless it can be established that I personally used those railcard-discounted tickets myself, I do not understand how I can be held liable for them. These tickets were purchased for other young people in my community, and unless there is clear evidence that I travelled on those discounted fares, I kindly ask that these journeys be given the benefit of the doubt. I have made enquiries to provide evidence of the 16-17 Railcard, as I have done for the Network Railcard. However, it expired back in c. July 2024 (as it was only valid for a year), and it was a physical ticket purchased at a staffed train station ticket office. Therefore, nobody has any record of its purchase or existence apart from perhaps somewhere on a bank statement. I was out of the country for much of the disputed transactions, which would prove that I didn't personally use the tickets; flight tickets can be provided if that would help.

I am currently training to become a lawyer, and honesty, ethics, and integrity are values I take incredibly seriously. I would never intentionally defraud Great Western Railway or any organisation. This situation has caused me significant worry and distress, and I am truly devastated that my actions have led to this misunderstanding. Furthermore, as a young trainee, I am under huge financial strain, which makes the size of this fine even more stress-inducing. I am very keen to ensure that this issue is resolved outside of court since both parties are willing to engage.

I respectfully and wholeheartedly ask that you consider my explanation, the genuine mistake that occurred. I have learned a great deal from this experience and will ensure that I take even greater care in the future.

Thank you very much for taking the time to read my letter. I am sincerely grateful for your understanding and consideration.
Yours faithfully,"
 

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Tickets were always booked as different times since we were expecting to travel at different times.

I just asked for their railcard but it was a physical railcard which they no longer have, and it has obviously expired now since it was only 1-year railcard. What to do now?! I fear flight tickets and passport stamps might be my best bet. They've managed to send me a screenshot of the railcard payment they made on their bank statement.
Do you have a copy of all the correspondence GWR have sent, including their initial email? Which train were you travelling on when you were caught, and where were you going from and to? London to Paignton or Paignton to London?

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At the station.
Which station?

On the bank statement, which company is being paid? Post the image here if it helps.

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I would also like to respectfully note that unless it can be established that I personally used those railcard-discounted tickets myself, I do not understand how I can be held liable for them. These tickets were purchased for other young people in my community
Sorry, how many young people are there now? There was one in this thread, indisputably, for which we are trying to recover the railcard, now there are several of them.
 
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Do you have a copy of all the correspondence GWR have sent, including their initial email? Which train were you travelling on when you were caught, and where were you going from and to? London to Paignton or Paignton to London?

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Which station?

On the bank statement, which company is being paid? Post the image here if it helps.

London to Paignton
I have a copy of everything since they brought it up for the first time today

They think it's the attached, but who knows from 2023. This might be a subsequent railcard.
 

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