GWR operating short 'HSTGTi' sets (see diagrams section for workings)

[superalbs]

I take it that's the round thing with the raised bit in the middle, given that the rectangular bit is the safety card holder?

That's correct.

 

[brel york]

Set not out today. Door failure/Wabtec staff gone home !

They will be at hotel on the lash lol

 

[brel york]

Very expensive because they have to fit perfectly (there is room for a bit of movement in a sliding door), and over time the bodyshells have distorted so no two are exactly the same shape. A bit like fitting new doors to a house in a way, you have to spend ages with a plane getting it the right shape because things move and no two doorways are ever exactly the same.

No two were the same shape when new , the mk3 shell has large tolerances built in as the shells are all over the place

 

[Rob F]

No two were the same shape when new , the mk3 shell has large tolerances built in as the shells are all over the place

But the slam doors always seemed to fit. Is there no way to motorize the same action as a manual door, or is this not allowed, maybe due to the door smacking you in the face as it opens?

Rob

 

[pdeaves]

But the slam doors always seemed to fit.

Only because each one is planed down to fit. I well remember as a trainee sliding a sheet of paper around not-properly-closed doors to find the fouling points and cutting them down to size.

Sometimes there is a massive (but still safe) gap where a smaller door ends up in a larger doorway.

 

[59CosG95]

This ran on the 8th; 5E43 from Laira to Doncaster Wabtec. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O88569/2018/04/08/advanced
43042 + TGS 44083 + TSs 42365, 42266 & 42258 + 43004 were the consist. Not sure if 43004's gone up to be converted, but 43042's on the "Retained" list, and the coaches are all due to be converted too:
44083 to 49104, 42365 to 48110, 42266 to 48112 and 42258 to 48113.

 

[jamieP]

But the slam doors always seemed to fit. Is there no way to motorize the same action as a manual door, or is this not allowed, maybe due to the door smacking you in the face as it opens?

Rob

Think you answered your own question there. Also to high a chance of someone getting there hand crushed as it shut.

 

[43096]

This ran on the 8th; 5E43 from Laira to Doncaster Wabtec. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O88569/2018/04/08/advanced
43042 + TGS 44083 + TSs 42365, 42266 & 42258 + 43004 were the consist. Not sure if 43004's gone up to be converted, but 43042's on the "Retained" list, and the coaches are all due to be converted too:
44083 to 49104, 42365 to 48110, 42266 to 48112 and 42258 to 48113.

43004 is on the retained list.

 

[59CosG95]

43004 is on the retained list.

Ah thanks very much, must have slipped through the net when I marked them down as "to stay or not to stay"!

 

[brel york]

43004 in the heavy shop at doncaster

 

[43025 Exeter]

43024 is to be stored or something else, 43004 swapped and is next for repainting with 43042. Those being taken off lease are 43002/009/010/017/018/020/022-025/027/029/053/056/063/069-071/078/079/086-088/091/156/159-162/165/171/172/174/180/185/190/191/193/195-197.

 

[nat67]

43024 is to be stored or something else, 43004 swapped and is next for repainting with 43042. Those being taken off lease are 43002/009/010/017/018/020/022-025/027/029/053/056/063/069-071/078/079/086-088/091/156/159-162/165/171/172/174/180/185/190/191/193/195-197.

43195 doesn't count now its for GWR as use as spares as they cant repair as it would cost lots and no spare cab left.

 

[43096]

43195 doesn't count now its for GWR as use as spares as they cant repair as it would cost lots and no spare cab left.

Not strictly true. If required, 43195 could be repaired - but given the length of lease left, the time it would take to repair, cost of repair and there being no lease after it finishes with GWR means it is not economically repairable.

 

[nat67]

Not strictly true. If required, 43195 could be repaired - but given the length of lease left, the time it would take to repair, cost of repair and there being no lease after it finishes with GWR means it is not economically repairable.

And the fact there is no spare cabs to replace the one that got caved in.

 

[cactustwirly]

And the fact there is no spare cabs to replace the one that got caved in.

A new cab could be constructed but that would cost £.

 

[nat67]

They wouldn't have the pattern any more I don't think, but I don't know.

 

[Domh245]

I think the main issue with it is recouping the cost of a new mould from a single cab, which would be far too expensive. Of course some HSTs still have a career left, but they've also got a lot of siblings that don't!

 

[brel york]

From a grp moulding perspective we priced up getting new cl150 cab doors moulded , they wanted £20 grand to make the mould , angel decided against it lol , I imagine a hst front would be ridiculous, I’ve seen a 321 grp cab front (new) hidden away at unipart but no hst lol

 

[43096]

And the fact there is no spare cabs to replace the one that got caved in.

Which comes under the cost and time factors I gave above.

 

[DenmarkRail]

Think you answered your own question there. Also to high a chance of someone getting there hand crushed as it shut.

We're far to safe now days... This works in all other places round the world, a little bit of cost saving wouldn't hurt any sensible person

 

[fgwrich]

What has actually happened to 43195? I've obviously missed that one.

 

[43096]

What has actually happened to 43195? I've obviously missed that one.

Hit a tree on Hemerdon on 31 December - it’s been at Laira since then and the decision has been taken by the ROSCO that it is a write-off.

 

[Clarence Yard]

It’s now a First Rail Holdings vehicle (having been sold to them by the ROSCO) and has been acquired for spares only.

 

[50031]

Latest RAIL magazine mentioned Gloucester as a route for the mini HSTs, in addition to Penzance-Plymouth/Cardiff-Taunton. Is this true or an error on RAIL's part?

 

[nat67]

Latest RAIL magazine mentioned Gloucester as a route for the mini HSTs, in addition to Penzance-Plymouth/Cardiff-Taunton. Is this true or an error on RAIL's part?

Well if they made it for them to go to Gloucester then they should just run through to Worcester then as it would be load 4 rather than a 150 or 166 which is obviously shorter in length.

 

[50031]

Well if they made it for them to go to Gloucester then they should just run through to Worcester then as it would be load 4 rather than a 150 or 166 which is obviously shorter in length.

Yes, makes sense for flexibility, although not sure how busy they are beyond Cheltenham or Ashchurch. Maybe they are just thinking of 1 or 2 Cheltenham or Gloucester peak workings

 

[nat67]

Yes, makes sense for flexibility, although not sure how busy they are beyond Cheltenham or Ashchurch. Maybe they are just thinking of 1 or 2 Cheltenham or Gloucester peak workings

may be, but I have been on carts up near Worcester and Great Malvern and services are quite busy, especially when GWR are running 5 coach vice 10 up their. It would free up more Turbos.

 

[FQ]

may be, but I have been on carts up near Worcester and Great Malvern and services are quite busy, especially when GWR are running 5 coach vice 10 up their. It would free up more Turbos.

5 vice 10 could only apply to the services from London and even then I think most are going to be 5 coaches beyond Oxford (?) so wouldn't have an impact on loadings on the Bristol (and beyond) to Worcester/Malvern services. That being said, I have seen busy 3 coach 158s between Cheltenham and Worcester before, but probably not busy enough to make an HST appropriate for those routes.

 

[michael74]

On one now 09:45 Newton Abbot - Plymouth, its glorious as this service is usually a rammed 150 and my knees are not wedged into the seat infront, just 1 door out of service Coach A.

 

[nat67]

On one now 09:45 Newton Abbot - Plymouth, its glorious as this service is usually a rammed 150 and my knees are not wedged into the seat infront, just 1 door out of service Coach A.

Do you mean the 255 or Castle HST set. One door out of use how poor I travelled on it a few weeks ago, no intercom, no toilets working and very slow up the hills of south Devon. Plus the day after it was capped at Bodmin going ECS due to 'supposedly power car issues' and I was stuck at St Austell. Very poor GWR