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GWR 8V00

Stu1995

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Tonight GWR is running an 8V00 between Redhill LHS and Guildford UCHS. First time seeing them use Guildford UCHS. Also is GWR setting up freight operation? I thought class 8 headcodes were for slow freight.

 
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CR165022

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Given how long it takes, it might be a unit being moved on skates? Not sure why it would be moving to Guildford and not Reading though. Will presumably be 165110, as that failed at Redhill yesterday and has been in the sidings ever since.
 

Turbo004

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I agree it is probably a unit on skates. Judging by its booked arrival time of 0442 in Guildford they probably can't get it Reading in one night without it interfering with morning start up.

Expect another path on another night from Guildford to Reading. Alternatively they may road transport from Guildford but I would imagine that would only be a last resort. In addition road transport would only make sense if you can't road transport from Redhill but can from Guildford. Apologies I don't know the area well.
 

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Confirmed a 3 car 165, screenshots from Railcam. A 165 in which was moving very slowly so it being on skates seems the most likely. It also had one of it's interlock lights on during movement, interestingly.
 

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Stu1995

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Still a strange choice of headcode for an empty stock move. Last time they did a skate move in the Paignton area it run as 5Q99/5Z99. Wonder what made them choose 8V00 as that would imply its a freight running at 35mph.

Looking at RTT it also looks like SWR amended their stabeling plans around Guildford, presumably to free up space at the UCHS which was never utilised by GWR. I guess its better for GWR that they got it done in one night.
 

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Confirmed a 3 car 165, screenshots from Railcam. A 165 in which was moving very slowly so it being on skates seems the most likely. It also had one of it's interlock lights on during movement, interestingly.
On a 16x a BIL can be illuminated for a fire, brake control MCB, doors, TCA and passcom. In this case it’s most likely the brake control MCB
 

JN114

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Subject of train ID was argued at length during the planning for this move on Monday afternoon

Wherever you look there’s precedent for use of 5Q**, 5X**, 5Z**, 8***

Different areas want the train highlighted in different ways

A recent skate move in Devon was made a 5Q** at the insistence of the signallers in Exeter, only for there to then be issues when it crossed to another signalling area as a 5Q** without an accompanying special trains notice for running as a 5Q** - so train got stopped and more arguments needed to happen before it could carry on.

A few more years ago a similarly low speed (not skate) move was made from Heathrow Terminal 5 to Old Oak Common HEx depot - originally bid (by yours truly) as a 5Z** with written special trains notice accompanying; only for the signallers there to insist on it running as a Class 8 to highlight low speed move

There isn’t a reserved train ID for skate move or slow speed movement; so it ends up just at the whims of the arranging parties to pluck 4 characters from the air and ensure everyone reaches a clear understanding.

To a lay person reading externally they may be “confused” into it being a slow speed freight train; but in this instance all parties involved were well aware of what the train was; what restrictions it had. The only confusion came through the late decision to crack on to Reading; and a link in the communication chain was missed in that haste. But once that was highlighted further communication took place and the train successfully and safely reached Reading for repairs with very little disruption to the train service.
 

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As I left Redhill on Monday there was a whole host of workers by the unit, wondered if it had derailed, bit likely fitting a skate.
 

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