GTR begins replacing CCST with paper roll tickets.

[Sonic1234]

Being resistant to modern ticketing is no automatic virtue, is it?

Not at all, just an observation of the culture at GTR.

 

[paul1609]

Not at all, just an observation of the culture at GTR.

GTR has been a management contract since 2008 because of Thameslink 2000. Dft gets all revenue and has to agree an extra costs.

 

[Hadders]

GTR has been a management contract since 2008 because of Thameslink 2000. Dft gets all revenue and has to agree an extra costs.

2014

 

[DelW]

It is such a shame as GTR were one of the last TOCs not to have started using loo roll. It is such a massive downgrade. GTR along with Southeastern and London Overground and Elizabeth Line were the only four left and now it is just three.

Other TOCs haven't completely switched. My local SWR station's ticket office still issues everything on CCST (and I think the TVMs do too, though it's a while since I used them).

I find the bog roll tickets screw up such that they are hard to present one handed at the gates, harder to slip in and out of wallets and pockets, harder to find, and easier to lose (and blow away very easily if you do drop them).
Much harder to keep between your teeth whilst you sort yourself out too!

How would you suggest?

If I do end up with one, I straight away fold it into thirds with the Aztec code outward, and put it into my normal railcard wallet with the code visible behind the transparent window. That way you can scan it (at barriers or on the train) without taking it out.

 

[Meerkat]

If I do end up with one, I straight away fold it into thirds with the Aztec code outward, and put it into my normal railcard wallet with the code visible behind the transparent window. That way you can scan it (at barriers or on the train) without taking it out.

Cunning. Would mean carrying the railcard wallet though, and it’s only the ticket office issuing bogroll so far, not the machines.

 

[DelW]

Cunning. Would mean carrying the railcard wallet though, and it’s only the ticket office issuing bogroll so far, not the machines.

Almost all my tickets are railcard discounted, so I pretty much always have it with me when I'm travelling by train. (I also carry my ENCTS pass in it too).

 

[Blackpool boy]

These tickets really are horrible. They get creased and crumpled and in poor condition so quickly. You put it in your pocket and it just gets in such bad condition before long.

You know you can fold them and put them in your wallet so that they can be seen and understood by the inspectors whilst you travel by train.

These are nothing new and i dont understand how using these tickets is such an effort for you?

 

[Meerkat]

Almost all my tickets are railcard discounted, so I pretty much always have it with me when I'm travelling by train. (I also carry my ENCTS pass in it too).

I have a railcard, but the ticket rarely gets checked so the railcard stays in my wallet

You know you can fold them and put them in your wallet so that they can be seen and understood by the inspectors whilst you travel by train.

These are nothing new and i dont understand how using these tickets is such an effort for you?

Because they arent as easy as sticking a card ticket in your back pocket and knowing you can use it one handed at the gate.

 

[MrJeeves]

Cunning. Would mean carrying the railcard wallet though, and it’s only the ticket office issuing bogroll so far, not the machines.

I'd imagine an approach not dissimilar to WMR/LNWR's with the S&B ticket machines being retrofitted with a PRT printer alongside retaining one of the CCST printers, allowing tickets eligible for PRT to be printed as such and CCSTs to remain for (cross-)London tickets.

 

[Blackpool boy]

I have a railcard, but the ticket rarely gets checked so the railcard stays in my wallet

Because they arent as easy as sticking a card ticket in your back pocket and knowing you can use it one handed at the gate.

So what happens when you sit down and disfigure your ticket so when you go and being the dandy that you are with one hand and it doesnt read your ticket because it has been in your back pocket?

 

[Meerkat]

So what happens when you sit down and disfigure your ticket so when you go and being the dandy that you are with one hand and it doesnt read your ticket because it has been in your back pocket?

This has never happened to me with a card ticket.

 

[Coolzac]

I very much dislike the big roll tickets.

How long before the ticket machines will start printing them out?

 

[renegademaster]

Places like Victoria this won't likely affected much since everyone is on contactless/Oyster/ITSO now . Busier stations outside project oval like Brighton might see big slow downs in their gate lines depending on how many people are still on paper tickets

 

[BlueLeanie]

Just take a pic of the Aztec and scan it. No need to take it out your wallet. Just as long as you carry it if the original needs to be inspected.

 

[Thames99]

Do these tickets cause more hassle at gatelines that the CC type? If significant numbers of crumpled tickets that won't scan have to be looked at and the staff open the barrier to let passengers through, that would increase queues and create more work.

 

[OscarH]

Do these tickets cause more hassle at gatelines that the CC type? If significant numbers of crumpled tickets that won't scan have to be looked at and the staff open the barrier to let passengers through, that would increase queues and create more work.

I doubt the number of people scrunching them up beyond scanning is more than the amount of CCSTs that demagnetise constantly

 

[TUC]

Most people will be using etickets in any event.

 

[WolvertonWorks]

I find the bog roll tickets screw up such that they are hard to present one handed at the gates, harder to slip in and out of wallets and pockets, harder to find, and easier to lose (and blow away very easily if you do drop them).
Much harder to keep between your teeth whilst you sort yourself out too!

They also don't fit neatly into my holder that I keep my railcard and oyster card in and where I also put my tickets so all are readily to hand when needed.

The deep blue holder, with National Rail Britain's train companies working together on it, is designed for CSST sized items.


Edit - just seen the comments about folding into thirds, will try that next time as I usually fold in half and try and force into the wallet.

 

[renegademaster]

Do these tickets cause more hassle at gatelines that the CC type? If significant numbers of crumpled tickets that won't scan have to be looked at and the staff open the barrier to let passengers through, that would increase queues and create more work.

That is TfLs justification for not using them

 

[Belperpete]

It is such a shame as GTR were one of the last TOCs not to have started using loo roll. It is such a massive downgrade. GTR along with Southeastern and London Overground and Elizabeth Line were the only four left and now it is just three.

My local TfW booking office is still issuing CCST card tickets.

 

[htwestern]

My local TfW booking office is still issuing CCST card tickets.

I don't know if it's just Cardiff Queen St but they also seem to have slightly changed the CCST stock from the ticket office recently -- it now has the NRCoT waffle in Welsh as well on the back (RSP No. 9599/TfW), a ticket I bought from there back in December didn't have it (RSP No. 9599)

 

[Bungle965]

My local TfW booking office is still issuing CCST card tickets.

Any TOC still using Fujitsu in the ticket office will be issuing CCST tickets.

 

[Starmill]

Beware folding the aztec code into a wallet. Some scanners such as the phone cameras commonly used or the readers on ticket gates simply will not scan them through the transparent plastic.

 

[stadler]

I don't know if it's just Cardiff Queen St but they also seem to have slightly changed the CCST stock from the ticket office recently -- it now has the NRCoT waffle in Welsh as well on the back (RSP No. 9599/TfW), a ticket I bought from there back in December didn't have it (RSP No. 9599)

They have had that for over twenty years. It was called RSP9599/ATW before and changed to RSP9599/TFW recently. I remember getting those tickets with Welsh on the back in the mid 2000s. I think they just use the normal RSP9599 stock when they run out of the Welsh language one.

 

[pedr]

Is there an abbreviation yet for the barcoded tickets printed onto ordinary paper, roughly A7 size and shape? These aren't really 'paper roll' and aren't thermal printed, so they're different from the long, narrow format that PRT implies. If ticket offices and TVMs are going to issue barcoded tickets, these seem like the best format to me.

 

[stadler]

Is there an abbreviation yet for the barcoded tickets printed onto ordinary paper, roughly A7 size and shape? These aren't really 'paper roll' and aren't thermal printed, so they're different from the long, narrow format that PRT implies. If ticket offices and TVMs are going to issue barcoded tickets, these seem like the best format to me.

One thing i have also wondered is what those are called officially. They have no code printed on the back. I know the loo roll ones are RSP9799 but these other smaller white roll ones have no number. I would have guessed RSP9899 as this code is unused but i have not heard of any code or name allocated to them yet.

 

[Haywain]

One thing i have also wondered is what those are called officially. They have no code printed on the back. I know the loo roll ones are RSP9799 but these other smaller white roll ones have no number. I would have guessed RSP9899 as this code is unused but i have not heard of any code or name allocated to them yet.

Those numbers are the specification for the ticket stock, not what is printed on it.

 

[The exile]

Do these tickets cause more hassle at gatelines that the CC type? If significant numbers of crumpled tickets that won't scan have to be looked at and the staff open the barrier to let passengers through, that would increase queues and create more work.

In general, anything that involves a barcode being read takes longer than a practised insertion of a working CCST ticket - phones being worse than paper.

 

[Wallsendmag]

In general anything that involves a barcode being read takes longer than a practised insertion of a working ccst ticket - phones being worse than paper.

Thames99 said:
Do these tickets cause more hassle at gatelines that the CC type? If significant numbers of crumpled tickets that won't scan have to be looked at and the staff open the barrier to let passengers through, that would increase queues and create more work.

Quite the opposite, actually a gateline at a major London terminus has a 49% acceptance rate for CCST and 92% for Barcoded tickets

 

[Meerkat]

Thames99 said:
Do these tickets cause more hassle at gatelines that the CC type? If significant numbers of crumpled tickets that won't scan have to be looked at and the staff open the barrier to let passengers through, that would increase queues and create more work.

Quite the opposite actually a gateline at a major London terminus has a 49% acceptance rate for CCST and 92% for Barcoded tickets

Half of card tickets rejecting sounds incredibly unlikely based on experience - the queues in central London would be enormous.