Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance?

[StephenHunter]

No. That’s just confusing. It’s an intercity train or it’s a regional train or it’s a whatever else train but it shouldn’t be area spefific.

Maybe some small vinyls to indicate a route as NSE did?

 

[MotCO]

I think I may have suggested this previously. Why not have the carriages painted in a national colour - maybe light blue - and all the different companies (or if a route needed to be differentiated for some reason (Gatwick Express?)), just have different colour doors. This will enable a corporate 'feel' for trains, and if stock is transferred betwen companies, only the doors need to be repainted. It also has the benefit of meeting the requirement for the location of doors to be highlighted.

 

[Fincra5]

Or just go back to something like; Intercity, Network Southeast and Regional Railways liveries

Or as some others have mooted, a DB style of IC and Regional paint jobs... just with a Regional Name (Such as Southern) and "Operated by..." for the current management - a bit like Scotrail did after they went for a common paint job.

 

[Rhydgaled]

GBR route, which is just nationalisation with extra steps

I don't see how it is nationalisation - there are still going to be TOCs and ROSCOs - it's more like London Overground than BR surely?

 

[365 Networker]

I think you will find it will probably be more like this

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Network rail has now registered these with the Intellectual Property Office:-

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trademarks.ipo.gov.uk

 

[Bletchleyite]

Network rail has now registered these with the Intellectual Property Office:-

Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office

trademarks.ipo.gov.uk

With Rail Alphabet 1? Curious, why not the new version, I wonder?

 

[MattRat]

Network rail has now registered these with the Intellectual Property Office:-

Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office

trademarks.ipo.gov.uk

Is it just me, or is something really wrong with it? Like my first reaction was 'that's hideous!'.

 

[LOL The Irony]

With Rail Alphabet 1? Curious, why not the new version, I wonder?

Nostalgia.

Is it just me, or is something really wrong with it? Like my first reaction was 'that's hideous!'.

I think they were going for red white and blue, just failed in the execution.

 

[365 Networker]

With Rail Alphabet 1? Curious, why not the new version, I wonder?

I think it is the new version, just in bold - you can tell by the shape of the ‘t’.

 

[fat_boy_pete]

Is it just me, or is something really wrong with it? Like my first reaction was 'that's hideous!'.

I can see what they are trying to do, replicate the look of the Union flag in the logo. But the irregularity of the flag (why so many accidentally fly it upside down), just looks so messy in these versions.

It's definitely chosen by Shapps, driven by the usual performative Brexit/Tory nonsense.

In, short, yes I agree the result is hideous!

 

[irish_rail]

So sad to see an icon looking so sad. Awful.

 

[ta-toget]

I think they've tried to replicate the asymmetry of the Union Jack, and I think it just looks horrible here. It would be better symmetrical.

edit: @fat_boy_pete posted between me loading the page and posting

 

[Bletchleyite]

Straight out of 1964:

https://www.creativereview.co.uk/british-rail-logo/ (contains a load of pictures including something looking rather like this)

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I think it is the new version, just in bold - you can tell by the shape of the ‘t’.

Definitely the 't' from RA1.

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

Straight out of 1964:

https://www.creativereview.co.uk/british-rail-logo/ (contains a load of pictures including something looking rather like this)

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Definitely the 't' from RA1.

Is it?? It looks IDENTICAL to the one on the official Williams-Shapps review front

 

[Grumpy Git]

Horrendous. You can't improve on the original, but this lot on their zenohobic quest have just adulterated the double arrow.

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

Straight out of 1964:

https://www.creativereview.co.uk/british-rail-logo/ (contains a load of pictures including something looking rather like this)

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Definitely the 't' from RA1.

Looks like RA2 to me

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[Bletchleyite]

Is it?? It looks IDENTICAL to the one on the official Williams-Shapps review front

Actually you're right, the "y" gives it away.

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

Actually you're right, the "y" gives it away.

But the logo looks AWFUL

 

[Bletchleyite]

But the logo looks AWFUL

It does. Notably it's a 1960s design - see my link above. Looks very 90s-abstract though.

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

It does. Notably it's a 1960s design - see my link above. Looks very 90s-abstract though.

What’s wrong with the old BR Logo??? You know the double arrow that appears on every station even if its on a blue background (maybe that dark blue, with the double arrow in white?).

 

[Western 52]

What’s wrong with the old BR Logo??? You know the double arrow that appears on every station even if its on a blue background (maybe that dark blue, with the double arrow in white?).

Exactly. The double arrow logo must be one of the most recognised symbols in the country. Leave it as it is.

 

[XAM2175]

I love a good pile-on-the-Tories but I feel compelled to remind people, for about the tenth time, that this design has existed for decades already. See it here in the 1980 edition of the BR Corporate Identity Manual:

http://www.doublearrow.co.uk/manual/2_34.1980-05.gif

 

[43096]

I love a good pile-on-the-Tories but I feel compelled to remind people, for about the tenth time, that this design has existed for decades already. See it here in the 1980 edition of the BR Corporate Identity Manual:

http://www.doublearrow.co.uk/manual/2_34.1980-05.gif

It still looks rubbish. Too fussy and complicated.

 

[XAM2175]

It still looks rubbish. Too fussy and complicated.

Oh yes, I agree; I just don't want people thinking it's a new invention.

 

[Gareth]

I'm afraid I have to agree. It's garish.

 

[MattRat]

It still looks rubbish. Too fussy and complicated.

It scream look at me while being something you don't want to look at....

 

[Bletchleyite]

What’s wrong with the old BR Logo??? You know the double arrow that appears on every station even if its on a blue background (maybe that dark blue, with the double arrow in white?).

Nothing is wrong with the BR double arrow. What I'm saying is that the whole logo (with the blue) was devised and trademarked by BR in the 1960s. I've linked to a document showing it above. I also think the "abstract" blue bit is decidedly 1990s in look - I was astonished when I originally found it was a 1960s design that BR didn't use in the end.

Edit: thanks @XAM2175 - looks like it was used for BR's international purposes, no doubt with the blue representing the Scottish part of the Union Flag but also the sea.

Suppose it saves a quid or three on design houses, but I'd still get Ray Stenning in to do a LM-a-like job on it, that was superb.

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

Nothing is wrong with the BR double arrow. What I'm saying is that the whole logo (with the blue) was devised and trademarked by BR in the 1960s. I've linked to a document showing it above. I also think the "abstract" blue bit is decidedly 1990s in look - I was astonished when I originally found it was a 1960s design that BR didn't use in the end.

Edit: thanks @XAM2175 - looks like it was used for BR's international purposes, no doubt with the blue representing the Scottish part of the Union Flag but also the sea.

Suppose it saves a quid or three on design houses, but I'd still get Ray Stenning in to do a LM-a-like job on it, that was superb.

It looks so bad…… in every way, why cant they just keep it as it was.

 

[SuspectUsual]

I’m just slightly surprised they haven’t rotated it through 90 degrees and claimed it represents better connectivity for the north

 

[MattRat]

I’m just slightly surprised they haven’t rotated it through 90 degrees and claimed it represents better connectivity for the north

Actually, it would also sum up the current government pretty well.