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the one that it is often misquoted is BNS (Barnes) for BHM (Birmingham New St).

Knowing the correct 3 letter codes is very useful when you're using LDB on a mobile!

I often use BNS for Birmingham New Street as it's easier to write down BNS for it in a hurry whilst on a series of moves involving it. It's surprising how much longer it takes to write 'Birmingham New Street' than it does to write 'BNS' in a notebook.

Of course, if using it for LDB I will use BHM. Not that I do very often, as it sounds dreadfully like an airport code! Hate it. Much rather BNS myself, but there we go!
 
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Of course, if using it for LDB I will use BHM. Not that I do very often, as it sounds dreadfully like an airport code! Hate it. Much rather BNS myself, but there we go!


BHM is an airport code! It's the IATA code for Birmingham International Airport in the US.
 

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and your point is?

The same code can be used for two different things. Many TLA's are MUA.
 

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Hauling this thread back on topic (with a 47!;) )
Been asked to post this info...

tnt 47+4 MkII coaches

Dep YRK 1008, Arr SUN 1150
Shunt to Pelaw and back
Dep SUN 1230, Arr YRK 1408
Dep YRK 1444, Arr SUN 1649 (22 min earlier SO)
Shunt move
Dep SUN 1730, Arr YRK 1908

Enjoy!8)
 

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Will they be out on Sunday Sir Clag?
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Hauling this thread back on topic (with a 47!;) )
Been asked to post this info...

tnt 47+4 MkII coaches

Dep YRK 1008, Arr SUN 1150
Shunt to Pelaw and back
Dep SUN 1230, Arr YRK 1408
Dep YRK 1444, Arr SUN 1649 (22 min earlier SO)
Shunt move
Dep SUN 1730, Arr YRK 1908

Enjoy!8)

Ta for the gen. You won't see me anywhere near them, not spending a small fortune to do 47s!
 

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Yes but thats on the branch line so doesn't count! 8)

At least we have units that actually thrash, normally get blocked just under the bridge as the line levels out after the drop from Snow Hill 8)
 

mealybar

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Hauling this thread back on topic (with a 47!;) )
Been asked to post this info...

tnt 47+4 MkII coaches

Dep YRK 1008, Arr SUN 1150
Shunt to Pelaw and back
Dep SUN 1230, Arr YRK 1408
Dep YRK 1444, Arr SUN 1649 (22 min earlier SO)
Shunt move
Dep SUN 1730, Arr YRK 1908

Enjoy!8)

22 min earlier SO = ??

From the GC website:
11:27 London to Sunderland

This service will operate as far as York, arriving at 13:19 with passengers connecting into a Grand Central shuttle service leaving York at 14:29 calling at Thirsk, Northallerton, Eaglescliffe & Hartlepool arriving in Sunderland at 16:11.
Is it going to be 14:44 or 14:29? Either which way thats a long wait for the 11:27 people getting into York over an hour earlier :???:
 

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Janet Street-Porter: I could run a railway better than this...

Last Sunday the new rail timetable started, and a revised fare structure simplifying the confusing range of tickets on offer. In fact, rail travel is just as expensive, and as thoroughly stressful as ever.

Anyone travelling from Northallerton in North Yorkshire to London on the East Coast line on that day had a miserable experience if they had purchased tickets from the newest rail operator in the region, Grand Central. Their evening train was cancelled – with that information only available on their website, with a helpline operating 9am to 5pm Monday to Friday!

The station ticket office was closed by 7pm, and there was no representative of the rail company in evidence. The rival operator, National Express, refused to accept Grand Central tickets, charging more than £100 for a standard ticket to London! Without a credit card or a cheque, passengers would have had to leave the train.

The previous Friday, I arrived at King's Cross to find the 8.04 Grand Central train north was cancelled. The chap on the Information desk, an employee of National Express, was brusque, offering no explanation. With just 15 minutes to go, a Grand Central employee turned up and issued tickets to travel on a National Express train, which left at 8am but didn't stop at my destination. When I got through to Grand Central to complain, I was told that "three out of our four trains are currently being repaired". It's incredible that someone can set up a service in England with just a couple of trains, but that is exactly what has happened.

The East Coast line is one of the most valuable routes in Britain, and passengers living in the thriving Yorkshire towns of Northallerton and Thirsk were thrilled when Grand Central announced they would be operating direct trains to London from Sunderland stopping at both places. From the outset the service had scheduling problems, but tickets were competitively priced and staff friendly, so local businesses and travellers were supportive. But how can a company set itself up with so few trains and no back up when things go wrong?

Grand Central started a basic service last December, with just two trains. They said they planned to lease more. In March, they offered three direct trains in each direction a day. On 13 May they told a local newspaper they planned "expansion in July", but within days they had to cut drasticaly services after one train caught fire, and another needed repairs. I am beginning to think that I could rent a locomotive, apply for a licence and run JSP trains more efficiently than this.

Then there's the scandal of the Orcats payments, whereby all the operators on a route are entitled to receive a share of the total amount spent on non-operator specific (ie full-price flexible) tickets on that line. This isn't determined by the number of passengers carried by each operator, but by the number of seats offered. So even if Grand Central run empty trains and an unreliable service, they are still eligible for these payments.

Making daily changes to your timetable via the internet fails to offer the "high-quality service" promised. Offering customer service during office hours Monday to Friday when you run trains at the weekends is derisory. Any goodwill felt towards this service will surely have evaporated. And the new fare structure means no refunds on advance purchase tickets. I thought the rail regulator protected customers – now I'm not so sure.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...ld-run-a-railway-better-than-this-832106.html
 

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A silly article.

It starts - and ends - talking about the new structure, yet the article is about GC's problems, but most of the bad attitude they experienced actually came from NXEC.

Anyway, the rude people who work on the railways should be removed immediately as they give us all a bad name. In this case, rude people from NXEC are giving the entire industry a bad name to GC's customers. The more these idiots are rude to people, the less people are encouraged to travel by rail. They should, quite frankly, be sacked.
 

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It doesnt actually say that NXEC staff were rude just that they were charging a standard open fare which they are perfectly entitled to do. It is up to Grand Central to compensate people if they can't offer the service they have paid for.
I agree that its time the rail regulator acted on Grand Central, however much we like the staff its perfectly clear that it hasnt got the resources to meet the service it is advertising and wont have for some time to come.
 

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There is nothing in that article to say how the previous passengers behaved to the staff that may have caused him it to be rude, maybe it is his nature to be rude, who knows. If he wasn't told why it was cancelled, and no one is able to tell him, how can he pass this information on? The article, as always with the press, is biased against the railway for sensationalism, I mean, we are talking about Janet Street-Porter after all.
 

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It doesnt actually say that NXEC staff were rude just that they were charging a standard open fare which they are perfectly entitled to do. It is up to Grand Central to compensate people if they can't offer the service they have paid for.
I agree that its time the rail regulator acted on Grand Central, however much we like the staff its perfectly clear that it hasnt got the resources to meet the service it is advertising and wont have for some time to come.
All railway companies have a duty toward customers who are stranded. At worst, NXEC should have issued unpaid fare notices, not just tell people they can't travel if they don't have money on them. It's appauling.

Several people have reported NXEC being rude to GC customers, so I think it is unlikely that the rudeness is made up.

The thing that NXEC don't seem to understand, is that GC's customers are actually customers of the railway and may choose to travel with NXEC in future. By treating them badly, they won't!
 

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Sorry Yorkie,
but thats incredibly nieve.
If I turn up at an airport and my Easyjet flights cancelled. I dont expect British Airways to fly me for free.
Grand Central apparently currently run 52% of their authorised services that is not acceptable 6 months on and the ORR should step in to suspend their license until they have sufficent trains available.
They should not be allowed to continue selling tickets for a service that they cant provide.
 

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Sorry Yorkie,
but thats incredibly nieve.
If I turn up at an airport and my Easyjet flights cancelled. I dont expect British Airways to fly me for free.
Grand Central apparently currently run 52% of their authorised services that is not acceptable 6 months on and the ORR should step in to suspend their license until they have sufficent trains available.
They should not be allowed to continue selling tickets for a service that they cant provide.

How can you compare the airlines to the railways, it's a completely different system! The railways are becoming increasingly draconian, especially to genuine passengers. If passengers are genuine, and have genuinely valid tickets, it's disgusting that NXEC are charging them full whack for new tickets. They should have at least excessed the tickets to saver singles, which surely they were obliged to do because the booking office was closed (therefore unstaffed station). I agree that the GC situation isn't acceptable, but the TOCs should be trying to work together, not backstabbing each other (and in indeed each others' customers). The fact that NXEC would leave people stranded if they were GC is totally unfair - to a normal passenger, GC is just another rail company, not the massive hated rival that NXEC sees them as.
 

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The comparison isn't bad actually.

Retail Manual section F (F3) (Excess Fares)

If you hold a TOC specific ticket you can't be excessed to use another train companies trains, therefore if you hold a GC specific ticket you would be expected to pay for a new ticket to use NXEC and claim a refund for the original ticket from the office that sold it, irrespective of offices being open or not.

A non specific ticket would of course be valid on NXEC anyway.

The only exception would be if NXEC agreed to let GC tickets on board their train and lets face it that won't happen!
 

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The comparison isn't bad actually.

Retail Manual section F (F3) (Excess Fares)

If you hold a TOC specific ticket you can't be excessed to use another train companies trains, therefore if you hold a GC specific ticket you would be expected to pay for a new ticket to use NXEC and claim a refund for the original ticket from the office that sold it, irrespective of offices being open or not.

A non specific ticket would of course be valid on NXEC anyway.

The only exception would be if NXEC agreed to let GC tickets on board their train and lets face it that won't happen!
Thats interesting as I have many a time excessed up (at a station before travel) a Silverlink only CDR to Brum to any permitted (Virgin) validity at just the price difference.
 

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Odd how its turned sour between these two all of a sudden. GC have helped Nat Ex whenever possible from what I've seen.
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No GC have helped NX passengers - a charm marketing offensive?? or they have made extra stops when HR mandate them to, as indeed I;m sure every TOC has do.

If/When GC had chosen to accept NX only tickets, that is their choice, they are not forced to, and the loss they make carrying a passenger for free is their lookout.
 
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