Government advice discussion

[Mogster]

The one exercise per day caveat really gives huge leeway. Sunny weekend coming up, the parks will be full again I’d imagine...

 

[GB]

The one exercise per day caveat really gives huge leeway. Sunny weekend coming up, the parks will be full again I’d imagine...

No time limit set (yet) either.

 

[Baxenden Bank]

No time limit set (yet) either.

Round the coast walk anyone?

 

[StephenHunter]

No time limit set (yet) either.

I imagine that the police will be allowed to use their reasonable judgement on that.

 

[hexagon789]

The one exercise per day caveat really gives huge leeway. Sunny weekend coming up, the parks will be full again I’d imagine...

Those that are still open, many have closed and more probably will soon enough.

 

[Cowley]

I imagine that the police will be allowed to use their reasonable judgement on that.

I do slightly wonder which police though?
They’re fairly thin on the ground around here these days...

 

[ChrisC]

Will newsagents be open.
Probably not that important but I just thought about it because I was intending to go and pay my newspaper delivery bill before the end of the week. It’s not a large amount as my paper is pre paid with vouchers but the shop might appreciate it being paid at this difficult time.

 

[bussnapperwm]

Will newsagents be open.
Probably not that important but I just thought about it because I was intending to go and pay my newspaper delivery bill before the end of the week. It’s not a large amount as my paper is pre paid with vouchers but the shop might appreciate it being paid at this difficult time.

That's a good question as my mom is worried as she uses my local one to pay for her electricity and gas top ups as well as the odd bits and bobs

 

[thejuggler]

The statement is still woolly. Going to and from work where absolutely necessary when work can't be done from home. So say you are a gardener or cleaner. It is absolutely necessary to go to work to pay the mortgage and keep food on the table,

No mention of keyworkers whatsoever. Anyone not a keyworker shouldn't be going to work, full stop.

 

[Bletchleyite]

This is perhaps not quite as severe as predicted, but perhaps longer at 3 weeks (i.e. until around 13th April)

It's basically exactly the same as the French lockdown barring the silly bureaucratic form which serves no useful purpose but is quite amazingly French in concept.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The one exercise per day caveat really gives huge leeway. Sunny weekend coming up, the parks will be full again I’d imagine...

If people do that, then we will be banned from going out at all.

Please don't.

I am self isolating until Thursday due to believing I had (a very mild form of) it. I would like to be able to go for a run then, locally, in an area where if I go in the evening I won't meet a single other person. Any mickey taking and I won't be able to

 

[StephenHunter]

Havering is keeping its parks open at the moment, but keeping that under review.

 

[Baxenden Bank]

If people do that, then we will be banned from going out at all.

Please don't.

I am self isolating until Thursday due to believing I had (a very mild form of) it. I would like to be able to go for a run then, locally, in an area where if I go in the evening I won't meet a single other person. Any mickey taking and I won't be able to

As said, still woolly. One form of exercise per day, in the immediate vicinity of your home.

 

[theironroad]

Will newsagents be open.
Probably not that important but I just thought about it because I was intending to go and pay my newspaper delivery bill before the end of the week. It’s not a large amount as my paper is pre paid with vouchers but the shop might appreciate it being paid at this difficult time.

Until today WHSmith told its staff that it was 'positioning itself to the government as an essential service' because of its 'offering'. The leaked letter to staff is on twitter somewhere.

Give them a phone call as they may be able to take payment online or over the phone.

 

[dgl]

I'll probably integrate a walk along Portland beach road with a trip to Lidl tomorrow as Bread is required, keeps me healthy, gives me my one walk a day, allows me to buy my essentials whilst at the same time being able to be as far apart from anyone else as possible when not shopping.

 

[trainophile]

So long as you keep walking briskly, jogging or running in a park I don't see how they can complain. Just don't sit down and have a picnic!

 

[theironroad]

No time limit set (yet) either.

That would have been a good idea, saying for example that one period of exercise of no more than 45 minutes per day.

 

[3rd rail land]

The statement is still woolly. Going to and from work where absolutely necessary when work can't be done from home. So say you are a gardener or cleaner. It is absolutely necessary to go to work to pay the mortgage and keep food on the table,

No mention of keyworkers whatsoever. Anyone not a keyworker shouldn't be going to work, full stop.

Exactly. I work from home 95% of the time but I actually have some work I need to do in an office. It can't be done from home. It will have a noticeable impact on my team if the work isn't done but I am certainly not a keyworker.
After tonight's announcement that work probably won't get done. I will have very little work do for the next few weeks as a result. At least my employer is still paying my wages, there is no risk of losing my job at all, which is more than is happening for a lot of people right now.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Austerity indirectly killed 45,000 people in two years (source: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-austerity-kill-120000-people) alone and nobody gave the tiniest little stuff.

I swear the world's gone mad.

 

[Cowley]

The statement is still woolly. Going to and from work where absolutely necessary when work can't be done from home. So say you are a gardener or cleaner. It is absolutely necessary to go to work to pay the mortgage and keep food on the table,

No mention of keyworkers whatsoever. Anyone not a keyworker shouldn't be going to work, full stop.

I felt that that wasn’t worded as clearly as it could be, but I’d say that a gardener like me (a decorator) is not a necessary essential worker, whereas a cleaner working in certain places definitely would be.
As far as it goes with paying the mortgage/putting food on the table then everyone is in the same boat and will have to look to the government for help.

The next three jobs in a row (that I’ve just put on hold indefinitely) were very well paid jobs that I could have easily done without meeting a soul because two of them were exterior jobs and the paint has already been delivered, and the other one was painting a school hall during the Easter holidays when there would have been nobody about.

This is clear though and all of those jobs can wait.

 

[StephenHunter]

Austerity didn't directly kill anyone. I think you mean indirectly, because otherwise that would involve a government policy literally giving people heart attacks.

It likely shortened many lives though.

 

[theironroad]

Austerity directly killed 45,000 people in two years alone and nobody gave the tiniest little stuff.

I swear the world's gone mad.

Where's the facts and sources to back up that claim.

I'll be the first to agree that austerity has caused unnecessary deaths but 45000????

This pandemic isn't the world gone mad - it's real and it's probably going to get a lot worse in this country.

 

[telstarbox]

Newsagents are ok by the way.

 

[hexagon789]

If people do that, then we will be banned from going out at all.

Please don't.

I am self isolating until Thursday due to believing I had (a very mild form of) it. I would like to be able to go for a run then, locally, in an area where if I go in the evening I won't meet a single other person. Any mickey taking and I won't be able to

Hopefully fines will be enough to deter most, but like you I do worry that even now people just aren't taking things seriously enough.

 

[GusB]

I do slightly wonder which police though?
They’re fairly thin on the ground around here these days...

In certain parts of the country it's going to be impossible to enforce. In towns and cities where CCTV is operating, I'd imagine that the police will be directed to anyone who appears to be breaking the rules, but in rural places where you have two coppers to patrol a patch that's 18 miles across there's no chance.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Where's the facts and sources to back up that claim.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-austerity-kill-120000-people

How did they reach the 120,000 figure?
The study’s authors estimated that there were nearly 45,000 more deaths in the years 2012 to 2014 than would have been predicted by earlier mortality trends.

They then extrapolated those figures to cover the period 2010 to 2017, which yields the estimated 120,000 “excess deaths.”

I took the more concrete 45,000 figure but you could take the 120,000 figure as well.

This pandemic isn't the world gone mad - it's real and it's probably going to get a lot worse in this coun

In the grand scheme of things, 4000 deaths in six weeks is not particularly exceptional- 50,000 people a month die in the UK.

This virus is nasty in how it kills people- it is a particularly horrible form of pneumonia- and that has an impact on the healthcare system. But effectively bringing in martial law and bringing the economy to a grinding halt, destroying millions of lives, somehow seems a bit OTT.

Fining people for going outside? Really? It's like we're now all living in East Germany or something.

 

[GB]

50000 people may well die per month, but they are not infecting the population and grinding the NHS to halt in the process are they.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Fining people for going outside? Really? It's like we're now all living in East Germany or something.

You're in the IoM aren't you? It isn't the UK, they presumably come up with their own rules.

 

[JonathanH]

50000 people may well die per month, but they are not infecting the population and grinding the NHS to halt in the process are they.

More importantly, they aren't typically infecting the NHS workers with a potentially fatal virus in the process of dying.

 

[Bald Rick]

This virus is nasty in how it kills people- it is a particularly horrible form of pneumonia- and that has an impact on the healthcare system. But effectively bringing in martial law and bringing the economy to a grinding halt, destroying millions of lives, somehow seems a bit OTT.

But one that has near universal support from all those in the medical profession (who are best qualified to advise), and all those in Parliament, who we rely on to take these decisions on our behalf. So I’d say it’s probably right.