Gospel Oak to Barking electrification in next week's budget ?

[northwichcat]

London Overgrounds class 172's if they are fitted with toilets would help Chiltern provide extra capacity

Extra capacity wouldn't automatically all go to Chiltern or LM just because they already have 172s. DfT could, for instance, say that Chiltern can have the 16 LO 172 carriages on condition that they send 12 class 165 carriages to FGW and then FGW can only have those of they release 6 class 150 carriages to Northern and 2 class 153 carriages to EMT.

 

[455driver]

Extra capacity wouldn't automatically all go to Chiltern or LM just because they already have 172s. DfT could, for instance, say that Chiltern can have the 16 LO 172 carriages on condition that they send 12 class 165 carriages to FGW and then FGW can only have those of they release 6 class 150 carriages to Northern and 2 class 153 carriages to EMT.

And the DaFT will put out the press release about the 36 "new" carriages they are investing in so the pax that dont know any better will carry on moaning about the over-crowding despite all the "new" carriages the TOC has just got. :roll:

 

[northwichcat]

And the DaFT will put out the press release about the 36 "new" carriages they are investing in so the pax that dont know any better will carry on moaning about the over-crowding despite all the "new" carriages the TOC has just got. :roll:

And count 1 carriage as 1 carriage regardless of the carriage length, like when FGW got 14 class 150 carriages as replacement for 14 class 142 carriages but Northern got 8 class 150 carriages as replacement for 8 class 156 carriages.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I hope it goes ahead. Looking increasingly difficult though as the Government are looking to cut transport spending by another 10% in 2015 its reported today, in order to hold spending on health and foreign aid, and lessen cuts to the military.

Yes I note Transport isn't one of the departments who have "settled" with the Treasury.
The cuts are in revenue (opex) not capital (capex).
This means things like headcount, buildings and maintenance, and for DfT rail franchise subsidy/premiums.
Capital projects like infrastructure are not directly affected and might even gain something (but only if "shovel ready" which rail projects rarely are).
The NR/CP5 settlement is tied in to the HLOS/SoFA which is largely now fixed 2014-19, bar the odd £2billion ORR want NR to save (which is their share of the pain).

This leaves the TOC (franchise) performance which is where the trouble lies, as the balance is an Opex item for DfT.
Many of the franchise agreements (not all) are already underperforming and in revenue support.
It makes it all the harder to conclude generous deals for the renewing franchises (eg more stock for Northern means higher subsidy etc).
It's also why ICEC has to be refranchised quickly - DfT want the increased premiums.

 

[455driver]

GOBLIN wont be electrified until the 2 interested parties can agree to pay for it.

NR want it electrified as a freight route but want TfL (or whoever it is) to pay.
TfL (or whoever it is) want it electrified as a passenger route but want NR to pay.

Purely political decisions by 2 parties trying to get something for nothing.

 

[Stats]

Yes I note Transport isn't one of the departments who have "settled" with the Treasury.
The cuts are in revenue (opex) not capital (capex).
This means things like headcount, buildings and maintenance, and for DfT rail franchise subsidy/premiums.
Capital projects like infrastructure are not directly affected and might even gain something (but only if "shovel ready" which rail projects rarely are).

It is indirectly affected. The Chancellor has committed to spending an additional £3bn a year on capital spending from 2015/16 with the money coming from the cuts in departmental spending allocations.

 

[76020]

Approval of £90m for the GOBLIN Electrification has been given according to the BBC website, please see this link:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23060325

A £90m commitment to carry out electrification of the Gospel Oak to Barking Overground line

There will be more details tomorrow about infrastructure spending.

 

[Ironside]

Approval of £90m for the GOBLIN Electrification has been given according to the BBC website, please see this link:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23060325

There will be more details tomorrow about infrastructure spending.

Brilliant news!

 

[tom1649]

Approval of £90m for the GOBLIN Electrification has been given according to the BBC website, please see this link:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23060325

There will be more details tomorrow about infrastructure spending.

Common sense has prevailed at last! It needed doing sooner or later, better to do it before the costs rise.

 

[traji00]

approval of £90m for the goblin electrification has been given according to the bbc website, please see this link:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23060325



there will be more details tomorrow about infrastructure spending.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssss!!!!!!! Finally.

 

[D365]

Common sense has prevailed at last! It needed doing sooner or later, better to do it before the costs rise.

Common sense indeed! Although there is little sense in running this thread concurrently with this one here, the latter topic does seem to be more of a broader variable for discussion :P

 

[joeykins82]

Looks like there's a date for the electrification, buried in the notes to editors in this TfL press release

On the Gospel Oak to Barking Line which uses shorter diesel trains, we are considering ways to increase capacity before electrification is completed by Network Rail in 2017

 

[anthony263]

Pity new centre carriages cannot be ordered just to provide some extra capacity until new class 378's emu's arrive come 2018.

 

[SF-02]

Good news. The other press releases on 34 tph on the central line in the morning peak along with other tph increases throughout the week, running the Waterloo & City line until 12:30am during the week, and the doubling of Pudding Mill lane DLR works were interesting too.

 

[swt_passenger]

...and the doubling of Pudding Mill lane DLR works were interesting too.

Rather odd that the DLR Pudding Mill Lane works are described as though they are about to start, despite being well underway when they were put on hold for the Olympics. It's only when you read the detailed info that it becomes clear that they are just re-announcing the bit TfL were always known to be doing, to the east of the Crossrail worksite. Their new double track viaduct and station box for the relocated station are well on the way to completion...

 

[YorkshireBear]

Rather odd that the DLR Pudding Mill Lane works are described as though they are about to start, despite being well underway when they were put on hold for the Olympics. It's only when you read the detailed info that it becomes clear that they are just re-announcing the bit TfL were always known to be doing, to the east of the Crossrail worksite. Their new double track viaduct and station box for the relocated station are well on the way to completion...

Yep i saw them in December and it was quite clear a new viaduct was going in!