Freight train derailment in Dundee 28/9/15

[Carntyne]

6K31 was re-railed around 1515 today and was due to be moved off site. Assessment of the damage now starts!

 

[marks87]

66603 is on the rear, moving back and forth with 56078 dropping the (no-longer) CWR into the 4ft and it looks like a crane is moving it off to the side. I'll upload some photos when my phone has synced.

 

[Ploughman]

No, the rails would normally be dropped weeks before they were going to be installed.

I ask because I know from experience that some sites can have rail dropped a year previous due to possession availability and other sites can be dropped one night and a start on installation the same shift.

 

[marks87]

Dropped rails in the 4ft.



Pile of rails at the side



56078



Off into the sunset



With 66603 at the other end

 

[455driver]

Those look to be very clean cuts on the rails?

 

[furnessvale]

Those look to be very clean cuts on the rails?

Most look like the ends of the long rails and show signs of rust. Only two look like fresh cuts and look like they have been oxy-propane cut.

Cut into lengths like that I doubt they will be scrapped but will find their way to a depot for incorporation into things like points and crossings.

 

[jonty14]

Because of a freak/rare derailment?

A train derailed on the Esk Valley line 3-4 years ago, by the same token should we have used it as a reason to reopen the Whitby, Redcar and Middlesbrough Union Railway?

Why not? The more the merrier

 

[Trog]

Most look like the ends of the long rails and show signs of rust. Only two look like fresh cuts and look like they have been oxy-propane cut.

Cut into lengths like that I doubt they will be scrapped but will find their way to a depot for incorporation into things like points and crossings.

My guess as to the rails likely fate would be closure rails for use by the local maintainers.

 

[snakeeyes]

yesterday I was traveling from Edinburgh to Aberdeen, I had to get off at Dundee and get the replacement bus to Carnoustie why was Broughty Ferry not used?

 

[marks87]

yesterday I was traveling from Edinburgh to Aberdeen, I had to get off at Dundee and get the replacement bus to Carnoustie why was Broughty Ferry not used?

Because there's no place to turn back at Broughty Ferry.

 

[snakeeyes]

because there's no place to turn back at broughty ferry.

ahh, thanks, that makes sense now, cheers

 

[DarloRich]

I ask because I know from experience that some sites can have rail dropped a year previous due to possession availability and other sites can be dropped one night and a start on installation the same shift.

Yes: the train looked loaded so clearly had not finished it round of deliveries. Therefore some sites might not get their rail unless another train can pick up the slack.

 

[snakeeyes]

Is the line open again?

 

[PHILIPE]

Is the line open again?

I've looked at Real Time Trains and the NRES Website on your behalf and trains are not running through yet.

 

[DelW]

Just out of curiosity how much was the load of rails worth?

Since no-one with actual knowledge has come along yet, I'll make a round figures estimate!

In the newspaper photo from above, the rail stack is about 8 wide by 4 high, so 32 rails. I've no way of assessing the length, but allowing for about 1200 feet long, and 100lb/yard, the total weight would be around 570 tons.

Structural steel sections are around £400/ton, so assuming rails are produced in lower volume and need extra hardening etc. probably around £500 - £600 per ton, which would give a total value of around £300k - £350k.

Happy to be corrected by anyone who really knows the answer (or spots any errors above).

 

[GB]

Since no-one with actual knowledge has come along yet, I'll make a round figures estimate!

In the newspaper photo from above, the rail stack is about 8 wide by 4 high, so 32 rails. I've no way of assessing the length, but allowing for about 1200 feet long, and 100lb/yard, the total weight would be around 570 tons.

Structural steel sections are around £400/ton, so assuming rails are produced in lower volume and need extra hardening etc. probably around £500 - £600 per ton, which would give a total value of around £300k - £350k.

Happy to be corrected by anyone who really knows the answer (or spots any errors above).

You will need to amend your estimate...the train was carrying 9x600ft rails.

 

[Carntyne]

The line should be fit for traffic tomorrow as planned. Good news!

 

[snakeeyes]

i've looked at real time trains and the nres website on your behalf and trains are not running through yet.

thanks for checking

 

[marks87]

The CWR train is now sitting in Dundee yard. It was getting attention from a crane at the back of 5 this evening (lifting the wagons for inspection, perhaps?).

 

[Peter Mugridge]

You will need to amend your estimate...the train was carrying 9x600ft rails.

Quick back of envelope stuff:

9 x 600ft = 5400ft.

That's 14% of 32 x 1200ft.

So about £42,000 to £49,000 assuming the prices DelW quoted are about right.

 

[Trog]

CWR usually comes in 709' lengths these days, the rail web sides look to be parallel so the rail is 113A at 113lb per yard.

 

[DelW]

You will need to amend your estimate...the train was carrying 9x600ft rails.

Thanks for the correction, it looked like many more in The Courier's photo but the perspective makes it diffcult to count with any certainty. Not as expensive as I thought then!

 

[PHILIPE]

Line re-opened today as hoped.