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Well I suppose this is one advantage of an almost comically overbuilt bridge.
 

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Not for the faint of heart for sure, but something I'd do in a heartbeat should it go ahead.

Well I suppose this is one advantage of an almost comically overbuilt bridge.
Another is not having a repeat of the original Tay Bridge. Better to be comically overbuilt than woefully underbuilt in my book.
 
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What evidence have you that it is overbuilt?

Just look at it!

I recall reading that it was overdesigned because construction was soon after the Tay Bridge disaster so nobody was going to take any chances with this one. It was hoped that a) It would stay standing regardless of the weather and b) overdesigning it would give users confidence that this one wouldn't collapse.

If my memory serves me correctly, I think that the designer of the Tay Bridge was going to design the Forth Bridge but that was changed due to obvious circumstances.
 

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Just look at it!

I recall reading that it was overdesigned because construction was soon after the Tay Bridge disaster so nobody was going to take any chances with this one. It was hoped that a) It would stay standing regardless of the weather and b) overdesigning it would give users confidence that this one wouldn't collapse.

If my memory serves me correctly, I think that the designer of the Tay Bridge was going to design the Forth Bridge but that was changed due to obvious circumstances.
Memory is correct. Work had even started on Bouch's Firth Bridge when the Tay collapsed. Over-engineering the Forth Bridge was an understandable response and we are left with an amazing structure. Hope this viewing platform goes ahead ... will be in the queue to go up at earliest opportunity, as equally sure the memsahib will stay firmly on the ground.
 

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Just look at it!

I recall reading that it was overdesigned because construction was soon after the Tay Bridge disaster so nobody was going to take any chances with this one. It was hoped that a) It would stay standing regardless of the weather and b) overdesigning it would give users confidence that this one wouldn't collapse.

If my memory serves me correctly, I think that the designer of the Tay Bridge was going to design the Forth Bridge but that was changed due to obvious circumstances.
Pretty much all of this. There was a very good reason the Forth Bridge was built the way it was. Public trust in such gargantuan structures and those who designed them had been severely undermined by the Tay Bridge disaster; the Forth Bridge was intended to be a bold reaffirmation that it wouldn't fail in extreme weather and to help restore public/user confidence in these kinds of structures. The fact it's still with us, doing what it was built to do over 130 years after it's opening merely reaffirms this. And despite being overengineered to the nth degree, it still manages to be one of the most elegent, beautiful bridges anywhere in the world. Beauty born out of tragedy.

The original Tay Bridge's designer (Sir Thomas Bouch) had indeed been contracted to build a suspension bridge over the Forth in the 1860s (the North British Railway's bankruptcy in 1867 put paid to it then) and the 1870s; this later one got as far as work starting in 1878 on a pier in Inchgarvie, but all work was immediately halted following the Tay Bridge's fall the following year and the resultant ruination of Bouch's reputation; Bouch's design was officially dropped in January 1881. Here are some design drawings of the 1870s proposals for a suspension bridge across the Forth (from thethreebridges.com).

Bouch-original-design..jpg Bouch-Forth-Bridge-detail-1200x816.jpg
 
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Well I suppose this is one advantage of an almost comically overbuilt bridge.
May be, but its given over 130 years of service, with increasing train weights. As others have said compare that with the first Tay Bridge, or some of the other structures that have failed over the years outside the rail industry. As someone who has been over the Forth Bridge a few dozen times over the years, I am comfortable with overbuilt. Its a world heritage site, and I think everyone would agree is iconic and an essential part of the Scottish rail infrastructure, it has outlived the first road bridge, and will probably outlive the second. Looks like the new 'Experience' is going to be a must visit for anyone with an interest in railways, engineering or history.

Dalmeny station will be less than 10 minutes walk away according to Google maps
 

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I'm afraid age and disability will prevent me from doing this one it comes off, but if it's even half as good as the Sydney Harbour bridge tour it'll be awesome.
 

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Looking forward to the opportunity but i suspect there will be kick back from heritage people about adding new steelwork
 

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If only this proposed walkway had been in existence in the 1970s when I was visiting Edinburgh on business every 3 months!
 

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A planning application has been submitted for a redesigned Forth Bridge Experience in South Queensferry. The Experience certainly won't be for the faint hearted! It reminds me a bit of a similar experience on the Sydney Harbour Bridge.

Full details are available here: https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.go...ils.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=R6DHT5EWMY000

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This looks excellent, I do hope it goes ahead. Sadly a no no for me due to a fear of heights!
 

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Exciting news. I'm very much looking forwards to doing this, but I am pretty sure its going to be a shaky walk. Heights are not my thing but this just has to be done.

Imagine the birds eye view shots one would be able to capture of A1/A2/A3 or A4s over the next few years with this in place!

WIBN (sorry, i know!) if one could walk the whole length of the bridge and get off a soush Queensferry.
 
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Exciting news. I'm very much looking forwards to doing this, but I am pretty sure its going to be a shaky walk. Heights are not my thing but this just has to be done.

Imagine the birds eye view shots one would be able to capture of A1/A2/A3 or A4s over the next few years with this in place!

When stood on the top, you certainly know when a train is going ’through’ - it wobbles a bit!
 

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When stood on the top, you certainly know when a train is going ’through’ - it wobbles a bit!
This really is going to be fun!

I cant imagine its going to be open on blustery days, which surely this means its going to be seasonal, April - October?
 

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This really is going to be fun!

I cant imagine its going to be open on blustery days, which surely this means its going to be seasonal, April - October?

that depends on your definition of blustery.
 

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If they get that external staircase through planning it would then be perverse if OHLE was ever turned down…
 

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If they get that external staircase through planning it would then be perverse if OHLE was ever turned down…
The difference being that the external staircase is on one side of one pier where the OHLE goes all the way across. That said, the World Heritage folk have apparently said that they won't raise an objection.

A planning application has been submitted for a redesigned Forth Bridge Experience in South Queensferry. The Experience certainly won't be for the faint hearted! It reminds me a bit of a similar experience on the Sydney Harbour Bridge.
I presume the grey in the artists rendering is just to highlight the new structures and as built they will be painted red/sandstone coloured to better blend in. One thing that I am surprised by is that the walkways aren't more enclosed than they are - I would have expected if not full glazing at least a mesh cage to stop objects being blown out of people's hands an into the Forth.
 

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I presume the grey in the artists rendering is just to highlight the new structures and as built they will be painted red/sandstone coloured to better blend in.

Sometimes the heritage people like it done this way, so it's obvious what is a modern addition to a historical building. In this case the planning application states the additions will be plain steel to match the existing walkways.
 

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Sometimes the heritage people like it done this way, so it's obvious what is a modern addition to a historical building. In this case the planning application states the additions will be plain steel to match the existing walkways.
Seems to be the current fashion among architects and planners. Similarly for the Ordsall Chord, brick arches were widened with obvious concrete instead of facing it with brick.
 

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The difference being that the external staircase is on one side of one pier where the OHLE goes all the way across. That said, the World Heritage folk have apparently said that they won't raise an objection.


I presume the grey in the artists rendering is just to highlight the new structures and as built they will be painted red/sandstone coloured to better blend in. One thing that I am surprised by is that the walkways aren't more enclosed than they are - I would have expected if not full glazing at least a mesh cage to stop objects being blown out of people's hands an into the Forth.
I think glazing would of been good regards offering shelter from cold winds, but i don't think it would be practical regarding keeping it clean enough as to not spoil the view.
 

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It was covered in a very recent TV documentary where the architect gave his reasons etc. (Sorry, can't recall which channel.)

Yesterday channel, catch-up at https://uktvplay.uktv.co.uk/shows/the-architecture-the-railways-built/watch-online/6272238637001

The Architecture The Railways Built​

  • 2021
  • Season 3
  • Episode 3: Charing Cross​

    Summary​

    Tim Dunn uncovers the secrets above, below and inside London's Charing Cross Station. He also looks at the modern wonder of the Ordsall Chord in Manchester
 
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One thing that I am surprised by is that the walkways aren't more enclosed than they are - I would have expected if not full glazing at least a mesh cage to stop objects being blown out of people's hands an into the Forth.
If they adopt the same policies as Sydney, participants will be relieved of all such objects at the departure point....

Imagine the birds eye view shots one would be able to capture of A1/A2/A3 or A4s over the next few years with this in place!
If a similar 'no loose objects' policy was to be in place then unfortunately you'd have to continue to imagine those!
 
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