Formula 1

[D365]

Utter shambles in the pitlane with the last lap Ocon pitstop. Aside from the fact that the race was still in progress - did it not occur that Ocon was required to take his mandatory pit stop?

Just goes to show the level of disconnect between the promoters and the actual racing.

 

[357]

Really pleased to see Checo doing well

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Utter shambles in the pitlane with the last lap Ocon pitstop. Aside from the fact that the race was still in progress - did it not occur that Ocon was required to take his mandatory pit stop?

Just goes to show the level of disconnect between the promoters and the actual racing.

+1

 

[Broucek]

So, two fairly dull races instead of one... Baku is normally more interesting. Wishing I'd waited for the highlights!

 

[66701GBRF]

So, two fairly dull races instead of one... Baku is normally more interesting. Wishing I'd waited for the highlights!

The only real thing of interest was the pit incident at the end.

 

[SuspectUsual]

The only real thing of interest was the pit incident at the end.

Indeed. Even the safety car was dull

 

[D365]

Disagree with the comments about a dull race. It wasn't an all-time thriller, sure, but we don't need every race to be. It did the job.

And above all, it was a welcome return to [relative] normality after the chaos of the last minute Friday/Saturday sprint format changes.

 

[JD2168]

Utter shambles in the pitlane with the last lap Ocon pitstop. Aside from the fact that the race was still in progress - did it not occur that Ocon was required to take his mandatory pit stop?

Just goes to show the level of disconnect between the promoters and the actual racing.

I noticed watching the tv that when George Russell pitted for Soft tyres to go for fastest lap the Parc Ferme area was already set up so already too early as Hulkenberg & Ocon still had to pit.

With regards the race I think an improvement on sprint weekends would be to relax Parc Ferme regulations so that drivers & teams can make set up changes to improve their car particularly between the Sprint & the main race.

 

[najaB]

With regards the race I think an improvement on sprint weekends would be to relax Parc Ferme regulations so that drivers & teams can make set up changes to improve their car particularly between the Sprint & the main race.

Agreed. With the revised qualifying meaning that the races are basically completely separate, the teams should be able to set their cars up differently if they want to.

As I suggested above, they also should be given an extra engine that is just used for the sprints, with the ability to swap parts from their 'main' engines to the sprint engine but not the other way around.

 

[DarloRich]

Miami gp: zzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[birchesgreen]

What was that awful driver introduction thing all about?

 

[Narrowgauge725]

I now watch the 7 mins highlights on YouTube I was an avid fan

 

[baz962]

What was that awful driver introduction thing all about?

Wasn't just me that found it painful then. The drivers all looked underwhelmed too.

 

[najaB]

What was that awful driver introduction thing all about?

America (United States of).

 

[Broucek]

It’s worse than the Hamilton-Rosberg years because Rosberg was closer to Hamilton

By contrast, Verstappen is way ahead of Perez and may still be improving….

 

[D365]

I now watch the 7 mins highlights on YouTube I was an avid fan

Likewise.

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It’s worse than the Hamilton-Rosberg years because Rosberg was closer to Hamilton

By contrast, Verstappen is way ahead of Perez and may still be improving….

A more interesting comparison would be the Hamilton vs. Vettel years. Albeit, in 2017-18 Ferrari were actually competitive at the halfway point.

 

[sannox]

It’s worse than the Hamilton-Rosberg years because Rosberg was closer to Hamilton

By contrast, Verstappen is way ahead of Perez and may still be improving….

I think it feels very Ferrari 2002s like. Barrichello was a thoroughly good driver, just with a generational team-mate who is the teams number 1. Same as Perez really. Although other teams won races and reliability generally wasn't as good, it was dull, even though Schumacher's achievements in 2002 were very impressive.

Mercedes era I thought was utterly tedious and very similar to this. A car just miles ahead of the rest.

 

[birchesgreen]

I think it feels very Ferrari 2002s like. Barrichello was a thoroughly good driver, just with a generational team-mate who is the teams number 1. Same as Perez really. Although other teams won races and reliability generally wasn't as good, it was dull, even though Schumacher's achievements in 2002 were very impressive.

Mercedes era I thought was utterly tedious and very similar to this. A car just miles ahead of the rest.

Yes but to be honest its what usually happens. McLaren were dominant a few times in the past. There was a number of years when Williams were untouchable.

The reliability makes it worse now i think.

 

[sannox]

The reliability makes it worse now i think.

I think that does play a large part. In 90s, 2000s, cars would frequently DNF so results were more of a lottery.

I think even in the years of dominant cars, we tend to see it brought back fairly quickly but Mercedes took years to be challenged and it looks like Red Bull would be the same. When McLaren virtually lapped everyone in the opening race in 1998, they were caught up quickly and ended up in a title battle.

 

[JD2168]

One thing on the 1998 McLaren that was found at the next race was a secret extra pedal which was discovered when a photographer took a picture inside the cockpit of the car. It was subsequently removed & you also had the development of Ferrari with Michael Schumacher at the wheel. Some of Michael’s best battles were against Mika.

 

[Class172]

One thing on the 1998 McLaren that was found at the next race was a secret extra pedal which was discovered when a photographer took a picture inside the cockpit of the car. It was subsequently removed & you also had the development of Ferrari with Michael Schumacher at the wheel. Some of Michael’s best battles were against Mika.

Teams certainly were (and continue to be) very innovative in finding ways to push the boundaries of the regulations in the pursuit of extra performance. If I recall correctly, one year there was a car that had a hole in the side of the cockpit for aerodynamic purposes which could be manually covered by the driver from the inside to increase speed on the straights!

 

[DarloRich]

i think it is sweet how Perez seems to believe he is good enough to win the championship AND that he will be offered the chance to do so. The reality is the better he does the sooner the dreaded multi 2-1 call will be made.

 

[JD2168]

Teams certainly were (and continue to be) very innovative in finding ways to push the boundaries of the regulations in the pursuit of extra performance. If I recall correctly, one year there was a car that had a hole in the side of the cockpit for aerodynamic purposes which could be manually covered by the driver from the inside to increase speed on the straights!

That was the McLaren F Duct from 2010, almost every team had a version at the end of the year. It was called the F Duct as where it came out at the rear wing was on the F of the Vodafone logo. It worked by stalling the rear wing to increase the top speed. It was the way that Jenson Button ran the Italian Grand Prix that year with a massive rear wing whilst the rear ran in low downforce. One thing about 2010 was it was a very competitive season with many cars competing for podium’s & wins throughout the season.

 

[357]

i think it is sweet how Perez seems to believe he is good enough to win the championship AND that he will be offered the chance to do so. The reality is the better he does the sooner the dreaded multi 2-1 call will be made.

I'm 50/50 between that and RB actually giving him the chance.

There is an element within the management of the team that want to remind Max/Jos that Max works for Red Bull, and Red Bull does not work for Max.

 

[DarloRich]

I'm 50/50 between that and RB actually giving him the chance.

There is an element within the management of the team that want to remind Max/Jos that Max works for Red Bull, and Red Bull does not work for Max.

Max is number 1 and all at red bull. No way they give perez a shot unless verstsppen is out of the car for some reason.

 

[kristiang85]

It's not looking good for the Imola grand Prix this weekend - the teams are still shut out of the circuit due to flooding, and the road and rail networks in the region are in chaos.

I'm just on the way there now from Switzerland but I fully expect I won't be able to attend the race now - anything else is a bonus. But surely they won't be having 150,000 fans roving around an emergency zone.

 

[Cloud Strife]

There is an element within the management of the team that want to remind Max/Jos that Max works for Red Bull, and Red Bull does not work for Max.

Absolutely, but ultimately, Max is the face of the team. He attracts a huge amount of attention to the wider Red Bull brand, he's got (highly rabid and utterly annoying) fans, and he's obviously a better driver than most of the grid.

I understand where Perez is coming from, but there's no way that Red Bull gives him an equal chance when Max is so popular among the fans from wealthy countries. To be honest, I also don't understand it from Perez: if he focused on being *the* #2 driver who will do anything to get Max to #1, then he almost certainly has a drive as Max's #2 for the next 10 years.

 

[KashmireHawker]

It's not looking good for the Imola grand Prix this weekend - the teams are still shut out of the circuit due to flooding, and the road and rail networks in the region are in chaos.

I'm just on the way there now from Switzerland but I fully expect I won't be able to attend the race now - anything else is a bonus. But surely they won't be having 150,000 fans roving around an emergency zone.

Cancellation sadly confirmed.

The Formula 1 community wants to send its thoughts to the people and communities affected by the recent events in the Emilia-Romagna region. We also want to pay tribute to the work of the emergency services who are doing everything they can to help those in need.

Following discussions between Formula 1, the President of the FIA, the competent authorities – including the relevant Ministers, the President of the Automobile Club of Italy, the President of Emilia-Romagna Region, the Mayor of the City and the promoter – the decision has been taken not to proceed with the Grand Prix weekend at Imola.

The decision has been taken because it is not possible to safely hold the event for our fans, the teams and our personnel and it is the right and responsible thing to do given the situation faced by the towns and cities in the region. It would not be right to put further pressure on the local authorities and emergency services at this difficult time.

Update on the 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix at Imola | Formula 1®

Following discussions between Formula 1, the President of the FIA, the competent authorities – including the relevant Ministers, the President of the Automobile Club of Italy, the President of Emilia-Romagna Region, the Mayor of the City and the promoter – the decision has been taken not to...

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[357]

Absolutely, but ultimately, Max is the face of the team. He attracts a huge amount of attention to the wider Red Bull brand, he's got (highly rabid and utterly annoying) fans, and he's obviously a better driver than most of the grid.

I understand where Perez is coming from, but there's no way that Red Bull gives him an equal chance when Max is so popular among the fans from wealthy countries. To be honest, I also don't understand it from Perez: if he focused on being *the* #2 driver who will do anything to get Max to #1, then he almost certainly has a drive as Max's #2 for the next 10 years.

Absolutely. Same reason they brought Daniel back - everyone loves him and he promotes the brand.

Even when he was at Renault and McLaren - he was still known as an ex-RB driver in the same way that Seb always was.

 

[najaB]

Cancellation sadly confirmed.

Always unfortunate when a race weekend is cancelled but, all things considered, F1 is just a sport and there's no point putting fans and teams at unnecessary risk.

 

[kristiang85]

Yeah cancellation confirmed indeed - looks like I have a weekend of eating and drinking my way around Bologna then. There are worse things in life! Certainly I'm in a much better position than those unfortunate people who've lost lives/homes.