Former Grand Central HSTs now with EMT

[LowLevel]

They might not be ready for Monday. Powercars are ready, trailers aren't. They were in a right state when GC finished with them.

 

[cactustwirly]

They might not be ready for Monday. Powercars are ready, trailers aren't. They were in a right state when GC finished with them.

I don't think they have much of a choice.
A tatty ex GC HST is better than no train at all!

 

[LowLevel]

I don't think they have much of a choice.
A tatty ex GC HST is better than no train at all!

Depends how many bits it's in!

 

[38Cto15E]

In the new timetable there are a number of HST's non stop between Leicester and St Pancras in both directions, 1F55 The Master Cutler being one, although slightly slower than a Meridian it has to be a good move.

 

[LowLevel]

In the new timetable there are a number of HST's non stop between Leicester and St Pancras in both directions, 1F55 The Master Cutler being one, although slightly slower than a Meridian it has to be a good move.

Not really. Business commuters generally hate the HSTs. No plugs in standard.

 

[Qwerty133]

I don't think they have much of a choice.
A tatty ex GC HST is better than no train at all!

If absolutely desperate there is at least one 2x222 diagram that could be ran with a single unit. Also could take the 4 coach 222 of the Ivanhoe line on Mondays and Fridays (at the cost of shortforming a liverpool diagram).

 

[AnonymousUser1]

NL have done MTU engines changes in the past, though I understand this is not engine related.

I would suggest this move is either because of a lack of capacity at Neville Hill or EMT have found work needed doing which hadn't been done and have thrown it back to Angel to fix (who have then contracted it elsewhere).

these are far more likely reasons but they are none crayon

 

[AnonymousUser1]

Why do EMT crews need training on HSTs?

Is the vast experience they already have on HSTs the 'wrong sort of training' ?

as others have pointed out the ex GC power cars are MTU not VP185 so there are differences in the daily checks, foault finding and emergency actions

ditto different central locking and SDO systems on the coaches ...

 

[LowLevel]

as others have pointed out the ex GC power cars are MTU not VP185 so there are differences in the daily checks, foault finding and emergency actions

ditto different central locking and SDO systems on the coaches ...

Quite unusually in this case it's a simple briefing sheet for the drivers and an actual course day for guards - the trailers are significantly different whereas the powercars are closer to being 'phone a friend if it breaks' territory.

 

[mallard]

Hardly surprising. EMT regularly fail to form full trains with their current HST stock (VTEC buffets, first-class carriages in standard-class positions and short forming are common), so the chance of additional stock being overhauled in time were always slim.

In terms of stopgap solutions (a stopgap to a stopgap...) any chance of short-term loans of ex-GWR carriages that are yet to be sent to ScotRail? Or short-forming the current HST fleet to free up a enough carriages to run a couple of 4+2s? Of course, if EMT had any spare HST stock they'd much rather loan it to VTEC than use it to benefit their own passengers...

 

[AnonymousUser1]

Quite unusually in this case it's a simple briefing sheet for the drivers and an actual course day for guards - the trailers are significantly different whereas the powercars are closer to being 'phone a friend if it breaks' territory.

someone ( hopefully with the requisite technical knowledge) has done that risk assessment - it wouldn't surprise that the driver's thing is briefing / self study - but equally i;ve seen reported overreactions to things like this - seen that in the emergency services for a revised / updated version of an Ambulance that was pretty similar to the previous version just a few different suppliers of kit etc ...

 

[AnonymousUser1]

Hardly surprising. EMT regularly fail to form full trains with their current HST stock (VTEC buffets, first-class carriages in standard-class positions and short forming are common), so the chance of additional stock being overhauled in time were always slim.

In terms of stopgap solutions (a stopgap to a stopgap...) any chance of short-term loans of ex-GWR carriages that are yet to be sent to ScotRail? Or short-forming the current HST fleet to free up a enough carriages to run a couple of 4+2s? Of course, if EMT had any spare HST stock they'd much rather loan it to VTEC than use it to benefit their own passengers...

fundamentally VTEC is a Stagecoach operation which is osmething people seem to want to ignore when suits them to slag of VTEC and/or branson personally

 

[nat67]

Hardly surprising. EMT regularly fail to form full trains with their current HST stock (VTEC buffets, first-class carriages in standard-class positions and short forming are common), so the chance of additional stock being overhauled in time were always slim.

In terms of stopgap solutions (a stopgap to a stopgap...) any chance of short-term loans of ex-GWR carriages that are yet to be sent to ScotRail? Or short-forming the current HST fleet to free up a enough carriages to run a couple of 4+2s? Of course, if EMT had any spare HST stock they'd much rather loan it to VTEC than use it to benefit their own passengers...

That's not true, the VTEC buffet has gone back to VTEC and on monday all EMT HST's where formed of 8. EMT didn't need all the set's that's why went to VTEC. EMT has 2 spare TF's, 1 spare TS, and 1 TGS and only 5 are needed for Notty- St pancake services and 3 for evening peak they have enough sets.

 

[mallard]

fundamentally VTEC is a Stagecoach operation which is osmething people seem to want to ignore when suits them to slag of VTEC and/or branson personally

Funamentally VTEC is a different franchise with its own allocation of rolling stock. The fact that it has the same parent company is irrelevant. If that allocation is inadequate, that's something for that franchise to resolve, if another franchise has "spare" stock that thay can spot hire without affecting their own services, that's fair enough, but in several cases, the East Midlands has had to suffer short-forms and cancellations for the benefit of ECML users.

EMT should not be renting out their stock to other franchises in preference to running a full timetable of full-length trains on it's own service.

That's not true, the VTEC buffet has gone back to VTEC and on monday all EMT HST's where formed of 8.

Well, if everything was fine this week, then obviously the problems of the last 6 months have been completely and permanently solved...

 

[nat67]

Funamentally VTEC is a different franchise with its own allocation of rolling stock. The fact that it has the same parent company is irrelevant. If that allocation is inadequate, that's something for that franchise to resolve, if another franchise has "spare" stock that thay can spot hire without affecting their own services, that's fair enough, but in several cases, the East Midlands has had to suffer short-forms and cancellations for the benefit of ECML users.

EMT should not be renting out their stock to other franchises in preference to running a full timetable on it's own service.



Well, if everything was fine this week, then obviously the problems of the last 6 months have been completely and permanently solved...

That was partly to do with VTEC needing power cars due to the cold weather leading to VTEC hiring more power cars to cover for them and also for 91's. But I know what you mean doing some HST's earlier this year getting chucked out on a Meridian rather than HST.

 

[LowLevel]

That's not true, the VTEC buffet has gone back to VTEC and on monday all EMT HST's where formed of 8. EMT didn't need all the set's that's why went to VTEC. EMT has 2 spare TF's, 1 spare TS, and 1 TGS and only 5 are needed for Notty- St pancake services and 3 for evening peak they have enough sets.

Back to the usual issues today though - this morning's problem being a set having two TFs shunted in by mistake instead of one having a TF(D) so there's no accessible toilet on it all day.

 

[nat67]

Back to the usual issues today though - this morning's problem being a set having two TFs shunted in by mistake instead of one having a TF(D) so there's no accessible toilet on it all day.

Ok I take back from what I say they are bad. They had a 7 coach set on Monday with 43046 & 43082 with 42148 missing.

 

[43096]

these are far more likely reasons but they are none crayon

“none crayon”? What does that mean? And if you’re saying my answer is not correct, then please could you post what the reason is.

 

[cactustwirly]

Ok I take back from what I say they are bad. They had a 7 coach set on Monday with 43046 & 43082 with 42148 missing.

There's always been a 7 coach set, I've had it several times.
Most recently on the 2nd May with 43047 & 43076.

 

[nat67]

There's always been a 7 coach set, I've had it several times.
Most recently on the 2nd May with 43047 & 43076.

Yes they keep changing over the power cars with the coaches that are missing, but that can also be to do with the exams and only one spare TS which is qiut poor really for EMT but they cant run obviously run a railway.

 

[LowLevel]

There's always been a 7 coach set, I've had it several times.
Most recently on the 2nd May with 43047 & 43076.

There hasn't - it's a temporary thing (in theory) while the coaches have a tidy up and other work. Some days one is out short, some it isn't.

 

[AnonymousUser1]

“none crayon”? What does that mean? And if you’re saying my answer is not correct, then please could you post what the reason is.

are you unaware of the concept of the conspiracy theorists aka 'crayonistas' posting conspiracy theories and fantasies

 

[43096]

are you unaware of the concept of the conspiracy theorists aka 'crayonistas' posting conspiracy theories and fantasies

Oh right, I seeeeeeeee......

 

[nat67]

Has there been any ex GC MK3's vinyled into the new EMT livery yet.

 

[edwin_m]

Looks like the new timetable frees one set from the off-peak Nottingham fasts. There are shorter layovers both ends which between them save an hour from the circuit.

 

[43096]

Looks like the new timetable frees one set from the off-peak Nottingham fasts. There are shorter layovers both ends which between them save an hour from the circuit.

It doesn’t. A 9 min turnaround at St. Pancras (xx25 to xx34) is too tight, so sets step back an hour.

As an example, see http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea.../05/21/1315?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=EM
1B38 arrives 1325 at P3
1D37 departs 1334 from P1

 

[edwin_m]

It doesn’t. A 9 min turnaround at St. Pancras (xx25 to xx34) is too tight, so sets step back an hour.

As an example, see http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea.../05/21/1315?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=EM
1B38 arrives 1325 at P3
1D37 departs 1334 from P1

Oh. I've just booked on the 0832 from Nottingham but I now see that's about the only one that's stayed in the old timings...

 

[43055]

They might not be ready for Monday. Powercars are ready, trailers aren't. They were in a right state when GC finished with them.

Internally they still are a bit of a state!

I don't think they have much of a choice.
A tatty ex GC HST is better than no train at all!

There is no choice really. At least one is spare to be worked on during the week so at lest one set could be ready soon.

Has there been any ex GC MK3's vinyled into the new EMT livery yet.

I was lucky enough to have some time at Etches Park yesterday and it looked very much like a HST depot with no 15x units on site and all three of the roads was full of MK3's (including the ex GWR buffets). Most now are being painted and vinyled with a similar livery to the current MK3's in the fleet. Internally nothing has been done as such, only some posters covering the ends of the coaches showing the new refurbishment, which means you will still be able to play Monopoly on the way to London or sit in a big leather 'GWR' armchair. The vehicles have had a heavy clean and EMT labeling so look tidy. From the poster it shows an artists impression of the refurb in which standard class is very similar to the current HST standard class.
The power cars on depot were 43423, 43467, 43468 and 43480 all in the new EMT livery.

I understand that the third set is still at Neville Hill with 43465 and 43484 and this will be released refurbished in June.

 

[whhistle]

It/They will be working:

• 0730 from Derby to London St Pancras
• 1359 from Sheffield to London St Pancras
• 1837 from Corby to London St Pancras
• 1945 from Nottingham to London St Pancras
• 1005 from London St Pancras to Nottingham
• 1650 from London St Pancras to Corby
• 2031 from London St Pancras to Derby
• 2200 from London St Pancras to Nottingham

EMT FAQ

 

[WillPS]

A very knackered looking Grand Central HST set was parked up outside Derby on Friday - by Saturday morning that one was nowhere to be seen but a dozen or so very shiny looking Mk3s were being marshaled about.