Football

[Rover]

As someone one (who was once briefly manager at Leeds United) reputedly said...

"As far as I'm concerned, the first thing you can do for me is to chuck all your medals and all your cups and all your pots and all your pans into the biggest f*****g dustbin you can find, because you've never won any of them fairly. You've done it all by bloody cheating".

That would be Mr Clough.

 

[Tetchytyke]

But...

That could drag it on for another couple of years!

And the rest!

At least this one can't go to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, given that CAS decided that Man City (owned by the Abu Dhabi government) didn't cheat with their Etihad sponsorships. CAS reasoned that because Etihad (owned by the Abu Dhabi government) said so they must have been telling the truth.

Man City should be kicked out of the league. No doubt they'll just get a slap on the wrist though, and Everton will get a 10 point deduction

 

[DarloRich]

Let's be honest. City will get sent a strongly worded letter asking them if they wouldn't mind awfully playing by the rules in future or the FA will be very disappointed.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Whilst trying to see a comparison at Premier League Level, would I be correct that Chelsea were also a club with quite a number of charges levelled against them. What sanctions were imposed on Chelsea.?

In Scotland, Rangers were demoted three divisions as part of their punishment.

 

[Bald Rick]

Spurs fans are looking forward to their retrospective Premier League title.

 

[AlterEgo]

Whilst trying to see a comparison at Premier League Level, would I be correct that Chelsea were also a club with quite a number of charges levelled against them. What sanctions were imposed on Chelsea.?

In Scotland, Rangers were demoted three divisions as part of their punishment.

Rangers weren't punished by the league. They were wound up as an entitiy, and a new club was formed which had to reapply from the bottom.

 

[Haywain]

Whilst trying to see a comparison at Premier League Level, would I be correct that Chelsea were also a club with quite a number of charges levelled against them. What sanctions were imposed on Chelsea.?

A great deal different.

In Scotland, Rangers were demoted three divisions as part of their punishment.

I can't remember the ins and outs of it but I believe that was Rangers starting from the bottom after going into administration and the liquidation. They were no relegated.

 

[Trackman]

Spurs fans are looking forward to their retrospective Premier League title.

If anything it will be a Miguel Induráin scenerio, no winner of the premier league.

 

[Tetchytyke]

In Scotland, Rangers were demoted three divisions as part of their punishment.

Rangers went bust. The club ceased to exist.

Sevco/Zombie Rangers were allowed to start at the bottom of the Scottish football league rather than being made to start again in the Lowland League, where they should have been sent to.

England have only ever been tough on little clubs. Bury were kicked out the league but when Leeds did the same thing nothing happened to them beat they were a Big Club. Zombie Leeds are now in the Premier League and making millions. Same with Coventry, they should have been kicked out years ago when they were owned by SISU but instead they’re back in the Premier League and also making untold riches.

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If anything it will be a Miguel Induráin scenerio, no winner of the premier league.

You mean Lance Armstrong?

Indurain was never convicted of being a drugs cheat, even though he blatantly was. A bit like Pogacar now…

 

[Bald Rick]

Same with Coventry, they should have been kicked out years ago when they were owned by SISU but instead they’re back in the Premier League and also making untold riches.

Only for another 8 months.

 

[Haywain]

Sevco/Zombie Rangers were allowed to start at the bottom of the Scottish football league rather than being made to start again in the Lowland League, where they should have been sent to.

That would have been difficult as the Lowland League didn't exist at the time.

 

[43096]

Spurs fans are looking forward to their retrospective Premier League title.

They’re also looking forward to playing City… and Grimsby, next season.

 

[Haywain]

Bury were kicked out the league

Because they couldn't, or wouldn't, guarantee that they could complete the season. They were not convicted of any matters of illegal payments.

You are using a selective view of recent football history.

 

[DarloRich]

Spurs fans are looking forward to their retrospective Premier League title.

Spurs will find a away to bottle it

The club ceased to exist.

The club didn't cease to exist. Real fans of the club know that.

 

[Jaydubya]

Spurs will find a away to bottle it

Spurs never finished as runners up to Man City. Any retrospective winners would be Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal. Mourinho would be pleased

 

[AlterEgo]

They're not going to strip titles. City will just have to have asterisks by each one indicating they cheated, as everyone said they did at the time.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Can someone knowledgeable explain exactly was the cheating that keeps being referred to and why the relevant football authority were not aware of it and why no action was taken immediately at the time by them.

 

[Djgr]

Man City should be kicked out of the league.

And leave Manchester without a football club?

 

[SuspectUsual]

Can someone knowledgeable explain exactly was the cheating that keeps being referred to and why the relevant football authority were not aware of it and why no action was taken immediately at the time by them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx30540044q0o this BBC article explains what the 115 charges were. Why weren't the authorities aware? Because City covered it up. They took action once they became aware, but the process has been protracted in the extreme

And leave Manchester without a football club?

So what? Should we have quotas?

 

[Rover]

Other premier league clubs are now looking to see if they have grounds for compensation.
I know it's unlikely to happen but surely if you've won competitions and you've been found to be cheating you should be stripped of the those titles?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx30540044q0o this BBC article explains what the 115 charges were. Why weren't the authorities aware? Because City covered it up. They took action once they became aware, but the process has been protracted in the extreme

Some of these charges relate to the year 2009, some seventeen years ago. How far back can such matters be investigated or is there a statute of limitations that covers such matters. Is the current club management that is responsible for such matters exactly the same in the year 2009?

Under what part of the legal code will the police and judiciary be taking matters forward?

 

[JamesT]

And leave Manchester without a football club?

If you’re restricting yourself arbitrarily to just the boundaries of the Manchester metropolitan borough, then FC United are also a Manchester club. (Plus a few more further down the ladder).

 

[Haywain]

Under what part of the legal code will the police and judiciary be taking matters forward?

Breaking Premier League rules does not mean any criminal laws have been broken.

 

[SuspectUsual]

Under what part of the legal code will the police and judiciary be taking matters forward?

At face value all of the charges look to be internal football industry problems.

The ones that raise a question in my mind are those relating to not accurately reporting payments to players and managers - if it’s just the reporting then it’s just a football thing, if they didn’t pay tax and NI on the additional payments (see also Boston United, for example) HMRC would be getting involved but there’s been no suggestion of this that I’ve seen

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The ones that raise a question in my mind are those relating to not accurately reporting payments to players and managers - if it’s just the reporting then it’s just a football thing, if they didn’t pay tax and NI on the additional payments (see also Boston United, for example) HMRC would be getting involved but there’s been no suggestion of this that I’ve seen

Exactly so. Matters such as taxation and National Insurance misfeasance if these have been revealed during the Premier League invstigations would be a matter for normal criminal investigations by the relevany authorities.