Football

[greyman42]

Is it the case that VAR is being used in this World Cup and if so, in which particular areas of possible decision contention will it be used to cover?

VAR is being used in the World Cup. It can be used in any area of contention but will mainly be used in the build up to "goals" and penalty decisions. Offsides is one of the more obvious one's but it could be used in relevance to something as minor as a throw in if it leads to a contentious decision.

 

[DarloRich]

That statistic was not one that seemed to affect the accuracy of the one that led to the equalising goal so very near to the end of this entertaining match.

It suggests a crap strike rate and that Portugal should let someone else have a go once in a while.

I also suggest I could score one free kick in 50.

 

[AlterEgo]

It suggests a crap strike rate and that Portugal should let someone else have a go once in a while.

I also suggest I could score one free kick in 50.

1 in 50 isn’t a good return. I reckon I could score 1 in 50 against a world class goalkeeper and a wall 6 foot 2 high.

Is his return from free kicks really that low?

 

[DarloRich]

1 in 50 isn’t a good return. I reckon I could score 1 in 50 against a world class goalkeeper and a wall 6 foot 2 high.

Is his return from free kicks really that low?

Apparently so in tournament football. I think the one last night is his only success

 

[The_Train]

There seems to be a lot of 'theatrics' from the French players in this game against Australia

 

[AlterEgo]

Apparently so in tournament football. I think the one last night is his only success

You could get a better return blasting the ball at the wall. A few in 50 will make it through a gap and those are basically unsaveable.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Apparently so in tournament football. I think the one last night is his only success

What appears to be totally forgotten in this miasma of statistics was the undisputable fact that the free kick in question by Portugal was when they were 3-2 down and the free kick in question was scored to enable Portugal to obtain a 3-3 draw. To then draw attention to what happened in the past about a poor scoring rate of return from direct free kicks is utterly meaningless in terms of the actual result of that match.

 

[SS4]

What appears to be totally forgotten in this miasma of statistics was the undisputable fact that the free kick in question by Portugal was when they were 3-2 down and the free kick in question was scored to enable Portugal to obtain a 3-3 draw. To then draw attention to what happened in the past about a poor scoring rate of return from direct free kicks is utterly meaningless in terms of the actual result of that match.

Don't forget we're talking about a man whom, if the rules around simulation and conduct were enforced, would spend most of his game in the proverbial early bath.

Also if there is any justice in football Australia should be winning - the cynic in me is half expecting VAR to ensure the "right" teams get through - that was never a (French) penalty and the French are being very dirty

 

[DarloRich]

What appears to be totally forgotten in this miasma of statistics was the undisputable fact that the free kick in question by Portugal was when they were 3-2 down and the free kick in question was scored to enable Portugal to obtain a 3-3 draw. To then draw attention to what happened in the past about a poor scoring rate of return from direct free kicks is utterly meaningless in terms of the actual result of that match.

Don't be silly.

A superb goal from a world a class player. Sadly, despite being a world class player he feels the need to cheat and dive and act uop at every opportunity. Also, despite being a world class player who scored a superb goal to rescue a point for his team that is the only goal the world class Chiorstiano Ronaldo has ever scored form a free kick at a major tournament. Despite being world class he has a very poor strike rate on free kicks. He hasn't delivered, despite his world class status, for his team very often from a dead ball sitsuation.

Also if there is any justice in football Australia should be winning - the cynic in me is half expecting VAR to ensure the "right" teams get through - that was never a (French) penalty and the French are being very dirty

I dislike VAR. It wasn't a penalty.

 

[The_Train]

Definitely wasn't a penalty for France as far as I could see on the replays used for VAR. I still think the whole VAR system has improved slightly in the respect of the fans being able to see what the officials (both on and off the pitch) but this decision just goes to show that errors will always be made no matter what technology is used. It is still based on how a person reads a situation

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

A superb goal from a world a class player. Sadly, despite being a world class player he feels the need to cheat and dive and act uop at every opportunity.

Earlier in the thread, you made the comment that Ronaldo had dived which as a result led to the award of a penalty, so I did ask in response to that posting if VAR was in operation during this World Cup and if so, what areas of contention would that cover. If VAR reviewed the events leading up to the event that led to the award of the said penalty and penalty decision was agreed with, then what else can then overcome a VAR decision.

If, however, the VAR review was indeed the proof that Ronaldo had actually dived, then there surely must be punishment that would reflect the matter.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Don't forget we're talking about a man whom, if the rules around simulation and conduct were enforced, would spend most of his game in the proverbial early bath.

I take it this quote above is from the "Alternative Laws of Association Football" that are so well imbued in every football supporter rather than the official Laws that match officials are expected to know in full and to pass their examinations, before being allowed to officiate at matches.

I am old enough to remember certain Leeds United supporters who claimed that some of the Norman Hunter tackles were nothing but "good, honest Yorkshire defensive play", so such matters of supporters beliefs are nothing new. You could actually be said to carrying on an English football tradition.

 

[AlterEgo]

I take it this quote above is from the "Alternative Laws of Association Football" that are so well imbued in every football supporter rather than the official Laws that match officials are expected to know in full and to pass their examinations, before being allowed to officiate at matches.

I am old enough to remember certain Leeds United supporters who claimed that some of the Norman Hunter tackles were nothing but "good, honest Yorkshire defensive play", so such matters of supporters beliefs are nothing new. You could actually be said to carrying on an English football tradition.

No, they’re from the Actual Laws of the Game. We all know refereeing is an art and not a science.

 

[EM2]

Messi has a penalty saved!

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Iceland.

The Huddersfield Town of the World Cup.

 

[Cowley]

Iceland.

The Huddersfield Town of the World Cup.

Great work by Iceland.

 

[The_Train]

Was a solid performance from Iceland, particularly as a defensive unit. Argentina looked average as did Messi. Why does he seem to fail on the big international stage?

 

[Cowley]

If the renditions of their national anthems are anything to go on then Peru should win this.

 

[Iskra]

Iceland.

The Huddersfield Town of the World Cup.

Burnley

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Even "the best keeper in the world" is capable of a gaffe.

Perhaps one could use this statement above, slightly amended, to describe Messi after his penalty miss......

Even "the best forward in the world" is capable of a gaffe.

 

[Antman]

Definitely wasn't a penalty for France as far as I could see on the replays used for VAR. I still think the whole VAR system has improved slightly in the respect of the fans being able to see what the officials (both on and off the pitch) but this decision just goes to show that errors will always be made no matter what technology is used. It is still based on how a person reads a situation

It was one of those where you can look at it until the cows come home, I thought it was inconclusive and the defender should have had the benefit of the doubt.

I thought the Aussies acquitted themselves very well and deserved a point.

 

[fowler9]

Croatia v Nigeria isn't the best game ever so far.

 

[Antman]

Croatia v Nigeria isn't the best game ever so far.

Just awful and the diving of Victor Moses was just ridiculous.

 

[SS4]

Germany vs Mexico must be incredibly boring because the BBC have just spent 5 minutes talking about England.

One of these days I would like to see England not qualify or, better yet, only allow pundits to talk about the game currently on

 

[The_Train]

One of these days I would like to see England not qualify or, better yet, only allow pundits to talk about the game currently on

USA 94, a competition England failed to qualify for, was the first World Cup I watched and it remains my favourite to this day. The focus was on the amazing talent on show (along with some more unsavoury moments) and not just all about England because the usual talk about abject failures had come and gone at the end of the qualification matches

 

[Butts]

Germany vs Mexico must be incredibly boring because the BBC have just spent 5 minutes talking about England.

One of these days I would like to see England not qualify or, better yet, only allow pundits to talk about the game currently on

Mexico 1-0 victors - but who will progress furthest in the tournament ?

 

[Butts]

USA 94, a competition England failed to qualify for, was the first World Cup I watched and it remains my favourite to this day. The focus was on the amazing talent on show (along with some more unsavoury moments) and not just all about England because the usual talk about abject failures had come and gone at the end of the qualification matches

Seem to remember Jack Charltons Republic of Ireland team being the main focus of attention at home.

 

[greyman42]

Mexico 1-0 victors - but who will progress furthest in the tournament ?

No great shock here. Mexico have a decent side and Germany's form in the run up to the tournament has been poor. Good news for England.

 

[The_Train]

Seem to remember Jack Charltons Republic of Ireland team being the main focus of attention at home.

They certainly generated a lot more attention thanks to a certain Ray Houghton

 

[greyman42]

I am surprised Russia has only two stadiums with a capacity of more than 50,000. That's pretty poor by modern standards. I wonder how well this tournament is going to be attended compared to previous one's.