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I do not wish to sound too pedantic (....well I do really..:), but how can you call a competition a Champions League, when, for example, England has FOUR teams that are allowed to enter to enter this competition....:shock:

I think it's something to with the coefficients system.

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Good news to see York City back in the Football League.
Well, good for some:cry:still, a game is a game, and you take offside goals against you with equanimity - don't you? I just hope Mrs O doesn't meet up with too many Yorkists on her trip back to Ilkley. Amazing crowd for Luton, who sold over three times as many tickets for this match as the opposition. Reminiscent of the Trophy final in their relegation year (which one, I hear you ask), when they held the record for most tickets sold by any club for a Wembley match.
 

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Ivo, while I admire the work you've put into that, you do realise that until the 1997-98 Champions League, you could only qualify for the competition by winning your domestic league or being the current holders?

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Amazing crowd for Luton, who sold over three times as many tickets for this match as the opposition. Reminiscent of the Trophy final in their relegation year (which one, I hear you ask), when they held the record for most tickets sold by any club for a Wembley match.
Which begs the question, where are they every other week? Not at Kenilworth Road, that's for sure.
 
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Ivo, while I admire the work you've put into that, you do realise that until the 1997-98 Champions League, you could only qualify for the competition by winning your domestic league or being the current holders?

But of course. I thought it would be interesting to compare the fortunes of repeat winners (e.g. Bayern '74/'75/'76) in comparison to their League performance, to see whether they would have qualified otherwise. (It also makes the table more consistent.)
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Amazing crowd for Luton, who sold over three times as many tickets for this match as the opposition. Reminiscent of the Trophy final in their relegation year (which one, I hear you ask), when they held the record for most tickets sold by any club for a Wembley match.
Which begs the question, where are they every other week? Not at Kenilworth Road, that's for sure.

Old Trafford I expect :roll:
 
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...Which begs the question, where are they every other week? Not at Kenilworth Road, that's for sure.
My impression is that there is a large core of loyal local fans of whom a high percentage go to home games. But, surprisingly perhaps, there are also large numbers around the country, who go to the away games they can. I suspect there will be a huge sigh of relief around the Coloured Shape league that Luton have stayed down, because they usually mean a large gate. I guess this may be because anyone in their right mind wants to leave Luton so they spread round the country more than most. But when they get together at eg Barrow, the dominant accent is Luton!
 

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Amazing crowd for Luton, who sold over three times as many tickets for this match as the opposition. Reminiscent of the Trophy final in their relegation year (which one, I hear you ask), when they held the record for most tickets sold by any club for a Wembley match.

Easy. 2009. Prevented Nigel Adkins from completing a Wembley double that year <(
 
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My impression is that there is a large core of loyal local fans of whom a high percentage go to home games. But, surprisingly perhaps, there are also large numbers around the country, who go to the away games they can. I suspect there will be a huge sigh of relief around the Coloured Shape league that Luton have stayed down, because they usually mean a large gate. I guess this may be because anyone in their right mind wants to leave Luton so they spread round the country more than most. But when they get together at eg Barrow, the dominant accent is Luton!

Doesnt seem that long ago (although it probably was and im getting old) you lot were in the top division and were always a difficult away game due to that damn plastic pitch
 

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Doesnt seem that long ago (although it probably was and im getting old) you lot were in the top division and were always a difficult away game due to that damn plastic pitch

I can certainly remember Luton - Liverpool in the FA cup, when Xabi Alonso scored from the halfway line. Must have been something like 7 years ago.
 

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José Mourinho will not be the new Liverpool nor Chelsea manager - Sky sports news reporting that he has signed a contract extension at Real Madrid.
 

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Well, good for some:cry:still, a game is a game, and you take offside goals against you with equanimity - don't you? I just hope Mrs O doesn't meet up with too many Yorkists on her trip back to Ilkley. Amazing crowd for Luton, who sold over three times as many tickets for this match as the opposition. Reminiscent of the Trophy final in their relegation year (which one, I hear you ask), when they held the record for most tickets sold by any club for a Wembley match.

I thought Arsenal would have held the record when they played their champions league matches at Wembley.

I had a good laugh when I read that the reason why Luton took so many people to Wembley this year was because they have all these real supporters all over the country. Luton like all other clubs have people who become "supporters" for the day as the local team is playing at Wembley and its a day out.
 

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I thought Arsenal would have held the record when they played their champions league matches at Wembley.
Apparently not
... Luton like all other clubs have people who become "supporters" for the day as the local team is playing at Wembley and its a day out.
There is always an element of this. But if you look at the gates at Luton matches around the league, you will see that they are usually the highest home gate of the season. Sure, there is a hard core of travelling fans, but there is always significant local interest as well. Mrs O cannot get to home games, or anything south of Mansfield, but will try to get to the more Northern games, and always finds herself surrounded by fans in a similar situation. Both children O, in different parts of the country, report the same. And this has held up through relegations and a long stay in the Conference.Strange but true.
 

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Typical Guardian tripe in my opinion, though I must admit there are some good quotes in the replies.

And it is funny to se the nauseaus, sanctimonious bleating about how City and Chelsea’s money is ruining football and preventing poor little manU and Bayern from winning the titles they deserve, no, have a right to win, with squads costing 5-10 times as much as their closest competitors in their respective leagues because that is what “fair play” is all about.

If only we could go back to the good old days when man City had to sell home-grown star SWP as well as Anelka to make ends meet, and face ManU with a team that cost less than Rooney or Rio. If only titles were reserved for deserving whiners, sorry winners like ManU with their 300m squads, instead of being bought by evil man City with their insurmountable 300m squad. If only Bayern could get just rewards for scrimping their way to a team with 5 or 6 of the most expensive transfers in Bundesliga history.

and

Even as Barcelona were celebrating the CL win last year they were £400m in debt and looking to borrow more. For a bit of morality lesson, that money is part of what is sending Spain to the brink of bankcruptcy. Manchester United are more than £500m in debt and theirs is even more complicated since you don't know where ManUtd ends and some stock market name begins. But this has not stopped ManU from borrowing more money. The debts of Barcelona and ManUtd were there even before Abramovitch took over Chelsea. It's not as if the Russian invented the idea of clubs living beyond their means.

and my favorite newsManc article...

http://newsmanc.co.uk/2012/05/08/sport-manchester-city-may-have-bought-players-in-order-to-help-them-win-the-league/

I can't really think of anything else to add really.

Phil 8-)
 

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I had a good laugh when I read that the reason why Luton took so many people to Wembley this year was because they have all these real supporters all over the country. Luton like all other clubs have people who become "supporters" for the day as the local team is playing at Wembley and its a day out.

You mean like when every weekend away match to blackpool sells out cos they all want a trip to the seaside ;)
 

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There is an article on BBC that states man city are best value for their fans. It was worked out by season ticket price divided by home goals to see which fans pay least per goal based on season ticket price divided by home goals scored.


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....I had a good laugh when I read that the reason why Luton took so many people to Wembley this year was because they have all these real supporters all over the country. Luton like all other clubs have people who become "supporters" for the day as the local team is playing at Wembley and its a day out.

I'm not a Luton fan, but, having lived in Luton, I can fully understand their fans not wanting to go anywhere near the place, nevermind Kenilworth Road.
 

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There is always an element of this. But if you look at the gates at Luton matches around the league, you will see that they are usually the highest home gate of the season. Sure, there is a hard core of travelling fans, but there is always significant local interest as well. Mrs O cannot get to home games, or anything south of Mansfield, but will try to get to the more Northern games, and always finds herself surrounded by fans in a similar situation. Both children O, in different parts of the country, report the same. And this has held up through relegations and a long stay in the Conference.Strange but true.

Thought I would check that last statement and there are only 5 clubs where the biggest crowd featured Luton - Cambridge, Kettering, Ebbsfleet, Bath and Hayes & Yeading. Mind you I will say that your average home gate of 6111 was a lot higher than the next one which was Wrexham at 3806.
 

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Cannot believe some of the comments made by the Kilmarnock Chairman tonight.
He warns against putting heavy sanctions on a Newco Rangers should they be re-admitted to the SPL. Can't believe that Mr. Johnson values money from Rangers fans over sporting integrity, utterly unbelievable.

Neil Doncaster, current Cheif Executive of the SPL has also made some fairly ridiculous comments this week. Claiming that there is little difference between a CVA and Liquidation. I'm no businessman but I know that one is an agreement between the company and it's creditors, and the other means all the assets of the company being sold and a new business being formed in it's place.

Hopefully all the clubs of the SPL do the right thing and say NO to Newco Rangers.
 

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The Diver has seemingly been confirmed as leaving Chelsea this summer.

I wasn't aware that Tom Daley was even at Chelsea. :p

To single out Didier Drogba for simulation offences really is tiresome. It's rife across the game from the local pub league to Premier League.

One of the worst examples I saw from last season was Leon Osman. Mis-kicking the ball, scuffing the ground and going down without any contact from the defender tracking him. Successfully cons the referee and wins a penalty. Blatant cheating of the worst order. And who did the pundits on MoTD blame? The referee. No opprobrium heaped on a fellow professional. Of course not, all footballers know it goes on and most are happy to try and get away with it.:roll:

The sooner retrospective video evidence of simulation is used in top flight games to punish the perpetrators the sooner it can be eradicated.

There are some good proponents of cheating out there, but of course they never play for the club an individual supports. Any advantage gained by a player from your club cheating is justified in the eyes of that club's fans.
 

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To single out Didier Drogba for simulation offences really is tiresome. ...
Yes, but he's foreign and we all know it is only dirty cheating foreigners who do it, The British players are all perfectly clean.:roll:
It always makes me laugh to see it called "simulation" - like little old ladies putting lace covers on loo roll. It is cheating, so why not call it that?
 

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I wasn't aware that Tom Daley was even at Chelsea. :p

To single out Didier Drogba for simulation offences really is tiresome. It's rife across the game from the local pub league to Premier League.

One of the worst examples I saw from last season was Leon Osman. Mis-kicking the ball, scuffing the ground and going down without any contact from the defender tracking him. Successfully cons the referee and wins a penalty. Blatant cheating of the worst order. And who did the pundits on MoTD blame? The referee. No opprobrium heaped on a fellow professional. Of course not, all footballers know it goes on and most are happy to try and get away with it.:roll:

The sooner retrospective video evidence of simulation is used in top flight games to punish the perpetrators the sooner it can be eradicated.

There are some good proponents of cheating out there, but of course they never play for the club an individual supports. Any advantage gained by a player from your club cheating is justified in the eyes of that club's fans.

Drogba does it the most though. I for one will be glad to see the back of him.

Also the less said about the competency of football pundits the better.
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Something to cheer the Villa fans up ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18175442

Yes, let's get rid of even more of our small squad :roll:. Granted they weren't the worst players to lose but we really need some experience before we're playing the U17s
 

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To single out Didier Drogba for simulation offences really is tiresome. It's rife across the game from the local pub league to Premier League.

It most certainly is, and Drogba is far more "honourable" than in eons past. However, that reputation shall never been done away with because everyone knows about it. Even my mother calls him "Diving Drogba", and she knows next-to-nothing about football.

One of the worst examples I saw from last season was Leon Osman. Mis-kicking the ball, scuffing the ground and going down without any contact from the defender tracking him. Successfully cons the referee and wins a penalty. Blatant cheating of the worst order. And who did the pundits on MoTD blame? The referee. No opprobrium heaped on a fellow professional. Of course not, all footballers know it goes on and most are happy to try and get away with it.:roll:

This is another statement I would expect only from a Liverpool fan (I seem to recall you telling me otherwise previously though). I know I'm an Everton fan and therefore my opinion isn't really valid, but the incident you refer to was quite clearly not intentional. The referee just didn't realise. MOTD called it correctly. Until now, everyone I know who has seen the incident (I forget which match it was) has agreed with them as well.

The sooner retrospective video evidence of simulation is used in top flight games to punish the perpetrators the sooner it can be eradicated.

But how many billions will it take FIFA to agree? :(

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If I might return everyone's attention to this post again, and then to this on MSN, written by the Chief Executive of Leyton Orient (shudder) - it's not just me who feels this way...!
 

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