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83G/84D

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Some of the routes in Cornwall have narrow country lanes hence the use of small Solo's, I cannot see that a Streetlite or E200 would be the best replacement. I doubt anything new will go to Cornwall anyway!

Places like Fowey and the Roseland peninsula are not the best routes for anything too big or wide!

Perhaps the older West Country Solo's will be replaced by newer cascaded Solo's from elsewhere as Cornwall only get's cast off's most of the time as THarris123 has commented.
 
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Some of the routes in Cornwall have narrow country lanes hence the use of small Solo's, I cannot see that a Streetlite oR E200 would be the best replacement.

Places like Fowey and the Roseland peninsula are not the best routes for anything too big or wide!

Very good point. I suspect we'll see some of the Bath and Essex solos move in to do those routes, especially the 6 through Mousehole. The Bath ones should go through there with ease.
 

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Very good point. I suspect we'll see some of the Bath and Essex solos move in to do those routes, especially the 6 through Mousehole. The Bath ones should go through there with ease.

Yes you are probably right, cascaded stuff to Cornwall from all parts and new stuff to the favoured areas!
 

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First Managing Director currently being briefly interviewed on Sky, stressing Euro 6 cleanliness, asked whether it would be cheaper to import rather than manufacture them in the UK said they were happy with ADL/Wrightbus Pricepoint and quality was acceptable, it actually sounded like he was trying hard not to say that the British built ones would be cheaper than importing.
 
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We here in the West Country look forward with great glee receiving the cast offs from Bradford, Glasgow, Halifax in Yorkshire, Slough in Berkshire, Swansea, Leicester and Southampton Glasgow and Aberdeen but hopefully not East Scotland from what I read on Yahoo Groups.
 

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First Essex have said they will be receiving a mix of 16 single and double decker Wrightbus worth £2.4m.
 

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This is interesting, as we were told in Bristol that we'd be getting 25 ADL E400 MMCs. I would assume from the above that we are wrong.

Where are the E200s going? Scotland as well?

It might be....

a) First are getting over 100 ADL vehicles
b) First are putting over 100 new vehicles to Scotland
c) They may not be one and the same?

Hence Bristol may still be getting its e400s?
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Some of the routes in Cornwall have narrow country lanes hence the use of small Solo's, I cannot see that a Streetlite or E200 would be the best replacement. I doubt anything new will go to Cornwall anyway!

Places like Fowey and the Roseland peninsula are not the best routes for anything too big or wide!

Perhaps the older West Country Solo's will be replaced by newer cascaded Solo's from elsewhere as Cornwall only get's cast off's most of the time as THarris123 has commented.

SouthWesterly has already said that FSW is not due anything new. What it will doubtless get is a load of cascades of varying ages.
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I was incredibly shocked about that as well. Nothing from Mercedes (I thought there would be a few Citaros) and Scania either. No coaches on the list. They solely seem to stick to ADL and Wright this year.

I wonder whether some of the Streetlites are going to be the 55*** ones? They could replace some of the midi Darts and solos.

E200s are probably going to replace most solos. The main base for the old solos are Cornwall (as with the rest of the old fleet!) and I'm personally expecting to see some of the Bath and Essex solos go down to Cornwall.

I'm not especially surprised that Optare got nothing. They had very little last year either (15 Solos and a few hybrid Versas for a specific service).

Same with coaches - not much call for them. There's only the Swansea - Cardiff Shuttle and that's allegedly going to be buses anyway. In fact, it's been a bit of a problem for First in getting rid/finding work for the ones they've had (hence why a number were parked up in Bristol for months if not years)

The industry has moved en masse to lightweight vehicles and that's why few are buying Citaros. First haven't bought many in the past anyway so the focus on Streetlites and e200 MMCs is pretty much par for the course
 
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We here in the West Country look forward with great glee receiving the cast offs from Bradford, Glasgow, Halifax in Yorkshire, Slough in Berkshire, Swansea, Leicester and Southampton Glasgow and Aberdeen but hopefully not East Scotland from what I read on Yahoo Groups.

Colin, Don't forget Solo's from Norfolk, Bath and Essex which will probably come our way in the next 12 months following more Streetlite deliveries.
 

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No sign of double deckers but 16 Streetlites 47643-47658 all now delivered I believe.

That will be last years order, this years order haven't been built yet, the only date attached is August delivery of the 7 for Aberdeen.
 

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Two people were seriously injured after being hit by a First Glasgow vehicle earlier today in central Glasgow. An Enviro 500 was involved:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-32931823

Thoughts go out to everyone involved.
 

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At least FOUR fire engines?

Yes, four fire engines AND a specialist equipment vehicle, a total of 25 firefighters dispatched at request of ambulance staff to deal with an elderly couple knocked down, one of whom was trapped under bus.
 
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At least FOUR fire engines?

Yes, four fire engines AND a specialist equipment vehicle, a total of 25 firefighters dispatched at request of ambulance staff to deal with an elderly couple knocked down, one of whom was trapped under bus.

RTC involving a large vehicle would liely have lead to mobilisation of at least 2 appliances, an additional pump is likely to be mobilsied to support the ET ... as for the 4th - given there were 2 buses involved ... gets the 'activations ' figure up and you can never have too many drip stands
 

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I think the number of DDs ordered is disappointingly low.

With the DDA deadlines approaching, there will be a maximum demand for the manufacturers to satisfy - will they (not) be demanding maximum prices ?
(Perhaps First have negotiated further provisional orders and prices ?:) )
 

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I think the number of DDs ordered is disappointingly low.

With the DDA deadlines approaching, there will be a maximum demand for the manufacturers to satisfy - will they (not) be demanding maximum prices ?
(Perhaps First have negotiated further provisional orders and prices ?:) )

In a recent magazine interview with a senior First person (Can't remember his name) he stated that First Bus actually had slightly too many Double Decks but priority was to comply with the DDA target dates and that the make up of the fleet would be rebalanced in time.
I suspect that the cascades of ex London Double Decks probably didn't help!
 

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In a recent magazine interview with a senior First person (Can't remember his name) he stated that First Bus actually had slightly too many Double Decks but priority was to comply with the DDA target dates and that the make up of the fleet would be rebalanced in time.
I suspect that the cascades of ex London Double Decks probably didn't help!

It was Giles Fearnley.
 

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That will be last years order, this years order haven't been built yet, the only date attached is August delivery of the 7 for Aberdeen.
Southampton have already received at least 3 Streetlites this week (two of which are 47686 and 47687), all 15 plates. We're due to be getting 15 Streetlites apparently, with some being the Max version.
 

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Southampton have already received at least 3 Streetlites this week (two of which are 47686 and 47687), all 15 plates. We're due to be getting 15 Streetlites apparently, with some being the Max version.

The bigger ones are for Hoeford as far as I know.
 

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Being mentioned on another site that Southampton ones are 47*** as mentioned here but that Hoeford gets 17 Maxes to cascade Omnicities.

Yes, for the X4/5 (PVR 16). My money is on the Scanias staying at Hoeford for the 1/3 in Pompey, releasing 47*** Streetlites as Dart/B10BLE replacements there and elsewhere in FHD, but AIUI, no final decision has been taken yet.

The new Southampton deliveries are believed to be for the 7. There is much debate about where the existing E20Ds are headed!
 

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